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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 31 August 20 08:19 BST (UK) »
found an online submitted tree which has Agnes (1839-1925) DD as 15 April 1925, Raby Villa, Queens Road, Westmead, NSW

Her brother is listed there too,  Alexander ALEXANDER, 1835-1917,  DD at Deveron, Reynolds, St, Balmain NSW.

And, Robert Anderson, her husband DD 22 May 1899, Camperdown NSW .

Ohhhhhhhhhh  and her Mum,  Elizabeth LOW 1807-1888,  DD 5 August 1888, 1 Hopewell St, Paddington NSW.

NO supporting documentation on the tree.

OOPS ... DD for Alexander ALEXANDER at Balmain ... 18 October 1917.

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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 31 August 20 08:22 BST (UK) »
Yes JM, that's the number.

The info about the bride on the transcript:

Agnes Alexander
Birth: Melrose, Scotland  (I have her born in Dundee)
No info about year of birth or age
Witnesses: Alex Alexander and Lilly Alexander (Agnesí brother and SIL)
Clergyman: Henry Macready, Presbyterian Church
Location: Married at my residence (minister?) Crown Road, Ultimo

This is a 2017 copy, and there arenít any other details on the form. This is not my document so Iím not sure if there was any other information provided with the original.

Sorry I donít have birth certificates for these children.

Canít confirm they lived in Denison Street, but Denison St is Robertís address on the marriage certificate. He was listed as a stonemason. I do know they were living in Margaret St, Newtown in 1881and Rosser St, Balmain in 1884. They were living at 154 Australia St at the time of Robertís death in 1899.

Sorry, I donít have any info about her death, except that she died on 25 April 1925 at Queens Road, Westmead and was buried at Waverley Cemetery on 16 April.
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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 31 August 20 08:30 BST (UK) »

Funeral notice for Agnes ANDERSON

SMH 16 April 1925  p7               
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28067646?
...Mrs W JOHN and family.....her sister and their aunt.....


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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 31 August 20 08:36 BST (UK) »
Yes JM, that's the number.

The info about the bride on the transcript:

Agnes Alexander
Birth: Melrose, Scotland  (I have her born in Dundee)
No info about year of birth or age
Witnesses: Alex Alexander and Lilly Alexander (Agnesí brother and SIL)
Clergyman: Henry Macready, Presbyterian Church
Location: Married at my residence (minister?) Crown Road, Ultimo

This is a 2017 copy, and there arenít any other details on the form. This is not my document so Iím not sure if there was any other information provided with the original.

Sorry I donít have birth certificates for these children.

Canít confirm they lived in Denison Street, but Denison St is Robertís address on the marriage certificate. He was listed as a stonemason. I do know they were living in Margaret St, Newtown in 1881and Rosser St, Balmain in 1884. They were living at 154 Australia St at the time of Robertís death in 1899.

Sorry, I donít have any info about her death, except that she died on 25 April 1925 at Queens Road, Westmead and was buried at Waverley Cemetery on 16 April.

Re the 1877 marriage .... so you likely have a NSW BDM registration that has NOT ever been reconciled to the actual church registers.   There was a huge debate, raged for around 40 years in NSW from mid 1850s to mid 1890s.   The Churches (all denominations) objected to the depth of detail required on NSW civil registrations, particularly on marriages ... Sacred info being made available to public servants who were not of the same denomination as the two who were being married...  I did up a thread for RChat on how to overcome those elusive blanks on the NSW BDM records... It is now quite a long thread, but it may help you to seek out the actual parish register to confirm what info the clergyman recorded about Agnes.   The info was all informant driven and the clergy would always act with discretion to encourage marriage as the preferred option to co-habitation.   Anyways, here's some reading material ....

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0

ALEXANDER would be a fairly popular name in NSW in that era.  You will likely need to seek further than the 1877 NSW BDM registration if it has those elusive blanks, before you can be confident that Mrs Agnes Anderson was Agnes Dick Alice IRELAND, nee ALEXANDER.    :)  I suggested Emily's birth cert because it may help you with info about her mum's origins, to help confirm or eliminate the lass from Dundee.

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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 31 August 20 09:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much for all this information.  I take your point about this being a common name, but I'm thinking the witnesses at the wedding having the same names as Agnes' brother and SIL seems like too much of a co-incidence.

This is probably enough info about Agnes for me anyway. I was mostly curious about when she came to Australia.

BTW, you'll have noticed two of Agnes' daughters married Toyers - Agnes married James Toyer and Elizabeth married Frederick Toyer. The Toyers set up a brickworks in Dungog before moving to Marrickville where they set up a brickworks in the late 1870s. Seems the building industry is a little incestuous!

Thanks again
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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 31 August 20 10:03 BST (UK) »


"... I was mostly curious about when she came to Australia."

The death certificate for Agnes ANDERSON, died 1925 Sydney, will ask for ...years in the colony.

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Re: When did Agnes Alexander/Ireland arrive in Australia from Scotland?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 31 August 20 23:57 BST (UK) »
 I do know they were living in Margaret St, Newtown in 1881and Rosser St, Balmain in 1884

I lived at 10 Rosser St, 1955-1960  :)

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