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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 15:36 BST (UK) »
Hi...

 The lovely.  PrawnCocktail over on the northants  board has just posted this...

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 Parents Frank and Polly of 33 Park Street. Frank and engine driver. Now in 1881 & 1891 he is an engine fitter.

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 17:40 BST (UK) »
Thank you. What year are Frank and Polly on 33 park Street?
This whole picture is confusing. I am confident that we have the correct Annie in 1901 and 1911. Robert is another matter. According to the 1911, Robert and Annie are married 6 years and have had 2 children. That means they were married about 1905. So doesn’t make sense that the same Robert married Ellen Ward 1906. I guess we need to find Annie’s marriage to Robert. The Robert that married Ellen was railway porter but Annie’s husband was machinery-packer. Could change occupations I guess but.....
Annie’s year of marriage could be wrong on 1911. If she married in 1905, why would Robert be registered under Brown in 1906.
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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 18:39 BST (UK) »
BROWN, ROBERT mmn JOHNSON 
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in SALFORD  Volume 08D  Page 129

A baptism at Stowell Memorial Church, Salford, 18 Oct 1906
Robert
parent Annie Brown
abode Salford Workhouse

Marriage: 8 Sep 1906 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
Robert Bernard Keen - 26, Railway Porter, Bachelor, 6 West Mason St.
Ellen Ward - 18, Laundress, Spinster, 101 Hope Street

Image on FamilySearch, may be elsewhere too, if you want to look at signature
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939K-C3QM-RT


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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 19:16 BST (UK) »
I studied the signatures on the 1911 census and the 1906 marriage to Ellen. I think they are different, although not vastly different. The T in Robert and the B in Bernard are different. I didn't think of comparing signatures before.
So Annie is in the Workhouse in Oct 1906 when son Robert is baptised. And her name is still Brown. So she can't have married Robert Bernard Keen in 1905 (married 6 yr as per 1911 census). Possibly wanted marriage date to be before Robert's birth.
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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 20:40 BST (UK) »
So she can't have married Robert Bernard Keen in 1905 (married 6 yr as per 1911 census). Possibly wanted marriage date to be before Robert's birth.

It wouldn't be the first time on 1911 census

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 20:49 BST (UK) »
Just to add, although it doesn’t seem to help much, that Robert Bernard Keen, b Aylesbury who joined the Rifle Brigade in 1895 and was discharged in 1897 due to ear damage has next of Kin as

Father, Frank Keen, 34 Charles St, Hyde, Cheshire.

In 1901 that address is a “Common Lodging House”
currently concentrating on a number of Staffordshire families.

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 20:51 BST (UK) »
Thank you. What year are Frank and Polly on 33 park Street?

Peggy

 Hi that was the address in 1882 when the boys were baptised.
 We have to concede there is only 1 birth of a Robert Bernard Keen and only 1 marriage......but where is a death record?
 In 1911 he is correct in that he married in 1906 .......but we don't know how long her been living with Annie. Ellen......I wonder what happened there can anyone see anything in any local papers?


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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 21:21 BST (UK) »
I did look for the death of an Ellen Keen about 1907/1908 without luck. And for a marriage of Robert Bernard Keen to Annie without luck. And for the deaths of both Annie and Robert.
Son Robert Brown reportedly died 1972, not sure where, and not sure if he was using name Brown or Keen when he died. An obit might help.
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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 22:05 BST (UK) »
On findagrave, I did find the burial of a Robert Brown in 1972 but dob is unknown. However, area is Manchester so could be the right person.
Death 24 Apr 1972
BURIAL   
Southern Cemetery
Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
PLOT   KKConsecrated 664
Meggison-Durham, Northumberland and Canada
Johnston - Co. Derry, Ireland
Groves - Co. Derry, Ireland