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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 01 September 20 15:40 BST (UK) »
Thank you, everyone. I am sure that the 1911 census with Annie living with Robert Bernard Keen is the correct family. Annie is recorded as being born in Cough, although it should say Coagh.  The marriage of Robert Bernard Keen to Ellen Ward in 1906 must be connected to the wrong Robert Bernard Keen.
I have found an unconfirmed date of death for George Harry Brown on Nov 14, 1899. This means that John Edward Brown born Dec 5, 1902, unconfirmed, must actually belong to Robert Keen, also Robert Brown Nov 12, 1903, unconfirmed. Young Robert is sometimes recorded as Robert Keen and born Liverpool.  There is a Frank Keen born at 1909 and died abt 1910.
I have not found either marriage for Annie, or any of the deaths involved.
Thanks for your help.
Peggy
Meggison-Durham, Northumberland and Canada
Johnston - Co. Derry, Ireland
Groves - Co. Derry, Ireland

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 01 September 20 16:19 BST (UK) »
Hi..

 Freebmd does have a death for George Harry Brown Dec 1919 Salford age 29.
 
 As for Robert Bernard Keen The fact there is a Frank b 1910 ties in to the Aylesbury born Robert whose father is Frank. Also Frank and wife Elizabeth are living in Salford in 1911.

 As to where they all go after 1911 .......I've looked but I'm stumped.

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 01 September 20 16:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you Tazzie. The death of George Harry Brown in Dec 1919 age 29 cannot be the correct person as that would make him born abt 1890 and he was having children in possibly 1891(daughter Annie) and in 1895 (son George Harry Brown).
For George Harry Brown, Sr., I have a date of birth of Nov 12, 1870 (unconfirmed) in Northwich, Cheshire, England to James Brown and Ann Ellen Burgess. Must have gotten this from the tree on Ancestry which seems to have many mistakes. I also have a note - did he change his name from William Warlow Brown???)
The last time that I found Annie and Robert Bernard Keen was 1911 in Salford. I will continue to look.
Peggy

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Johnston - Co. Derry, Ireland
Groves - Co. Derry, Ireland


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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 01 September 20 17:40 BST (UK) »
Just adding more to the mix... 2 baptisms..

 Robert Bernard
 Charles Vivian  both bapt 6th Jan 1882 at Dallington Northants
 Father Frank mother Polly.
 Both births give mothers maiden name as Hewson on GRO.
 In 1881 our suggested father for Robert Bernard was just down the road from me in Fenny  Stratford.

 ....cannot find more on Charles Vivian ?

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 01 September 20 19:19 BST (UK) »
Looking at the image of 1911 suggests  John Edward Brown (?born Dec 5, 1902) isn't Robert's child

I note Ellen Ward isn't necessarily truthful about her age when she marries. She says she's 18 in Sept 1906 when she marries Robert Bernard, lift attendant, son of Frank.

There's a good fit for a baptism of an Ellen b 3 May 1890


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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 01 September 20 23:48 BST (UK) »
Hmmm. Regarding John Edward Brown 1902, I just thought perhaps he was Robert Bernard Keen's child born before marriage, but perhaps he had a different father. He certainly wasn't a child of Charles Henry Brown's as he was born 3 years after Charles' death. And Robert Brown/Keen was born 5 years after Charles' death. So maybe there is another man between Charles Henry and Robert Bernard Keen.The 1911 says Annie and Robert have been married 6 years, so 1905-ish, had 2 children, one living (Robert) and one died (Frank).
Regarding Ellen Ward, I thought she was a "red herring" and wasn't married to the same Robert Bernard Keen. But perhaps she was, since Robert's father is Frank.Then again, this Robert's parents were Robert and Elizabeth, and there seems to be another Robert and Charles Vivian born to Frank and Polly. I need to look at Robert's occupation  more closely - in 1911, with Annie, he is machinery-packer. At time of marriage to Ellen, he was lift attendant. Where is he in 1901 and what is his occupation?
Thanks once again.
Peggy
Meggison-Durham, Northumberland and Canada
Johnston - Co. Derry, Ireland
Groves - Co. Derry, Ireland

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 13:23 BST (UK) »
Just to put all the Keen/Ward  marriage info in one place

Marriage: 8 Sep 1906 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
Robert Bernard Keen - 26, Railway Porter, Bachelor, 6 West Mason St.
Ellen Ward - 18, Laundress, Spinster, 101 Hope Street
    Groom's Father: Frank Keen, Lift Attendant
    Bride's Father: George Ward, Labourer
    Witness: George Ward; Mary Ann Ward

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 14:17 BST (UK) »


 can anyone see Robert Bernard Keen in 1881 with his mother. His "father" if I have the correct one is in Fenny Stratford Buckinghamshire.

 There are no births in Northamptonshire for Robert Bernard Keen but Charles Vivian is born there.

 I will ask for a look up in Dallington.

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Re: Death of Annie Keen, formerly Brown, nee Johnston, 1932
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 02 September 20 14:52 BST (UK) »
Annie in 1901

Name   Age
Annie Brown   30 (widowed)
Annie Brown   9
George Parry Brown   6 (should be Harry)
Joseph Brown   2