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Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:08 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I'm a bit stuck on a few words on the marriage registration below. The marriage is between John Craig and Nancy Moore. Fathers are John Craig and Andrew Moore. I can decipher most of it but I can't make out 1. Residence (assume it's somewhere near Belfast), 2. Rank of Father (Merchant and ???), 3. the witnesses - is that James Moore? Someone Craig? I can upload a larger version if this one is too small.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a feeling I'm on the verge of knocking down a very old brick wall.

Thanks
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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:25 BST (UK) »
Residence looks like Frenchpark/farm and Gregan(?)  Randalstown.

The occupation looks as though Private has been crossed out and 'Died' written in. 

Witnesses look like

James Moore and E M Craig

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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:28 BST (UK) »
Frenchpark.
Gragan (probably now Groggan), Randalstown.


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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:29 BST (UK) »
It looks like Frenchpark to me. I only know of one in Roscommon though.

The other looks to be Gragan, Randalstown.

Occupation  ??? private

Witnesses James Moore and M R Craig
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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:32 BST (UK) »
This one is not quite the same - easier to read but no line near the second occupation.
It looks like ‘Lived private’  :-\

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11464/8213477.pdf
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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 03 September 20 21:34 BST (UK) »
The line that looks like Private is crossed out is the cross for the T isn’t it. Like T in Merchant also
currently concentrating on a number of Staffordshire families.

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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #6 on: Friday 04 September 20 02:02 BST (UK) »
This one is not quite the same - easier to read but no line near the second occupation.
It looks like ‘Lived private’  :-\

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11464/8213477.pdf
I agree. Letter L is like L in "Licence".  A way of saying he had a private income, he didn't have to work?
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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #7 on: Friday 04 September 20 04:52 BST (UK) »

This one is not quite the same - easier to read but no line near the second occupation.
It looks like ‘Lived private’  :-\

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11464/8213477.pdf


Ooooh... I wonder why there are 2 registration records for the same marriage?  ???

(assuming the OP's version is 1868, even though it looks like 1865)


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Re: Deciphering text on a Northern Irish marriage registration
« Reply #8 on: Friday 04 September 20 05:29 BST (UK) »
There was/is an area/property  shown on maps called Frenchpark in the townland of Ballygrooby (Drummaul civil parish), just to the east of Randalstown (approx. half a mile, immediately off the Barnish Road).

Look at the groom in the following 1872 marriage, Henry F. Craig of 'Ballygrubey Drumaul Co. Antrim', father John Craig recorded as a linen merchant ...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11323/8155500.pdf

... for the marriage notice in local newspapers of the time described him as 'Mr. Henry F. Craig, Frenchpark, Randalstown, county Antrim'.

Also, when a Mary Elizabeth Craig of Randalstown, Drummaul (widow of a linen manufacturer) died in 1880 ...
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06480/4864243.pdf

... the local newspaper death notice read 'Craig - At the residence of her daughter, Randalstown, on the 13th inst., Mary E. Craig, of Frenchpark, aged 80 years.'.
 
This essay from the National Folklore Schools' Collection (1937-8) suggests a farmhouse called French park in that area as well:
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5009063/4982709/5119717


Edited to add: A local newspaper in 1903 carried a notice announcing 'instructions from JOHN CRAIG, Esq., to Sell by Public AUCTION... ALL THAT VERY DESIREABLE FARM OF LAND AND PREMISES, with the Buildings thereon, known as "FRENCHPARK," situate in the Townland of Ballygrooby, containing 75a. 2r. 6p., or thereabouts...'.