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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 September 20 06:48 BST (UK) »
The above was the son of Charles Joseph Thomas and Sophia nee Curwood; he married it seems Henrietta Symons Q3 1916 in Edmonton, Middx; Henrietta passed away 27 Jun 1960 in Enfield, Middx.
Leonard passed away  10 Apr 1962  in Queensland, Australia and was buried at Ravenshoe Cemetery, Herberton, I believe. His death record shows his correct parents but I wonder why he went to Australia  unless to visit his brother Harold Rowe Thomas who lived there and passed away at Mount Gravatt 30/8/1973.
His other brother, Ernest William died 23/6/1973 in Adelaide and was buried at Centennial Park Cemetery.
Is it possible to find obituary notices for the brothers especially Leonard George as there is some doubt as to his marriage to Henrietta and I wonder if she is mentioned in an obit?
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I have not found obits for either of Leonard's brothers, BUT I have found a death indexed for 23 June 1972 (the OP has 23 June 1973) for a chap named as Ernest William THOMAS.  He was indexed as aged 75 years.  This is a death registered in South Australia.  Ref 168A/4411.   He died in an institution.  Here is the free to search online index for Centennial Park.  https://www.centennialpark.org/   Here is the free to search index for South Australian genealogy  https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search  it is also listed on the SA Resources Board ... And here is RChat's South Australian Resources Board.  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=280572.0

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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 September 20 06:59 BST (UK) »
The Leonard George THOMAS who died 10 April 1962, and was buried Ravenshow Cemetery was aged 65 as per image 61 of 71 of the Burial Register which includes column headings "Denomination and Late Residence'.  So I also note that Leonard was C of E and was late of Ravenshoe.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9TCM-V2M

Amy Ellen Mary THOMAS was buried Atherton Cemetery, 22 November 1955, aged 76 years.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GTCQ-WK

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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 September 20 07:07 BST (UK) »
I have to wonder if Amy and Leonard were related prior to marriage.

Amy has a son with ROWE as a middle name and Leonard has a brother with the same.

Jun 1877 Kensington 1a 80
THOMAS William George
JENNINGS Mary Ann

THOMAS, GEORGE  JENNINGS mmn JENNINGS 
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 109
George Jennings Thomas
Event date: 20/08/1904
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1904/C/1311
Spouse: Alice Augusta Cutler
George Jennings Thomas
Event date: 15/08/1942
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1942/C/2906
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: William George

THOMAS, AMY  ELLEN MARY mmn JENNINGS 
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 132

THOMAS, ERNEST  CHARLES mmn JENNINGS died Dec 1883
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 148

THOMAS, JANE  EDITH mmn JENNINGS 
GRO Reference: 1884  J Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 82
Jane Edith Thomas
Event date: 03/06/1905
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1905/C/1361Products available:   
Spouse: Richard Charles Moss
Jane Edith Moss
Event date: 12/09/1914
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1914/C/549
Spouse: Thomas Lewis
Jane Edith Lewis
Event date: 05/06/1928
Event type: Death registration
Date of birth: 1884
Registration details: 1928/C/1348
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: George Thomas

Births and deaths, QLD:

William George Thomas
Event date: 23/07/1886
Event type: Birth registration
Registration details: 1886/C/9619
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: William George Thomas

William George Thomas
Event date: 24/05/1917
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1917/C/1595
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: William George Thomas

Mary Josephine Thomas
Event date: 15/01/1889
Event type: Birth registration
Registration details: 1889/C/11011
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: William George Thomas

Mary Josephine Thomas
Event date: 29/08/1914
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1914/C/54
Spouse: James Evan Rice

Mary Josephine Rice
Event date: 27/05/1943
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1943/C/1725
Mother: Mary Ann Thomas
Father/parent: William George Thomas

Charles James Fredrick Thomas
Event date: 11/12/1891
Event type: Birth registration
Registration details: 1891/C/11950
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: William George Thomas

Charles James Fredrick Thomas
Event date: 30/03/1918
Event type: Marriage registration
Registration details: 1918/C/914
Spouse: Maud Isabel Walker

Charles James Frederick Thomas
Event date: 27/06/1953
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1953/C/2841
Mother: Mary Ann Jennings
Father/parent: William George

Their parents’ deaths, I suspect:

Mary Ann Thomas
Event date: 23/12/1927
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1927/C/3931
Mother: -
Father/parent: Thomas Jennings
Funeral notice, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40592407
Obit, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40592512

William George Thomas
Event date: 15/06/1929
Event type: Death registration
Registration details: 1929/C/1415
Mother: Jane Edith Rowe
Father/parent: Joseph William George Thomas
Obit, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40676760

Martyn Street Cemetery Cairns

Section: MES Row: O1 Site: 1727
Mary Ann THOMAS
Age: 77
Burial Date: 24 Dec 1927

Section: MES Row: P1 Site: 1959
William George Thomas
Age: 77
Burial Date: 15 Jun 1929

Section: MES Row: O1 Site: 1790
Jane Edith Lewis
Age: 44
Burial Date: 05 Jun 1928

Section: MES Row: L Site: 4298
George Jennings Thomas
Age: 65
Burial Date: 16 Aug 1942

Section: BWS Row: L Site: 554
Alice Augusta Thomas
Age: 87
Burial Date: 06 Oct 1958

Section: MES Row: EE4
Charles James Frederick Thomas
Age: 61
Burial Date: 28 Jun 1953

Section: BES Row: G6 Site: 535A
Maudie Isobella Thomas
Age: 76
Burial Date: 13 Jan 1968

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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 September 20 10:26 BST (UK) »
I think William George Thomas and Charles Thomas were brothers. I could be on the wrong track of course.  ;)

That would make Leonard and Amy first cousins.

Here is why I think it:

Marriage: Dec 1847 Stoke Damerel 9 580
THOMAS Joseph George Richard
ROWE Jane
EDMONDS Jane Rowe

Deaths:
THOMAS, JOSEPH  GEORGE RICHARD 56 
GRO Reference: 1881  S Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 239

THOMAS, JANE  ROWE  64 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in CHELSEA  Volume 01A  Page 262

Now I know Father/parent: Joseph William George THOMAS and THOMAS Joseph George Richard are different, but they do both have 4 names and I can’t see any others like them.

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB8Y-V2L

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-CKP2

THOMAS, EDWIN  EDMONDS mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1848  S Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 09  Page 319

THOMAS, WILLIAM  GEORGE mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 289

THOMAS, ELLEN  SOPHIA mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1862  D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT  Volume 05B  Page 164

THOMAS, EMILY  JANE mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1859  D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT  Volume 05B  Page 149

THOMAS, CHARLES  JOSEPH mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1861  S Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT  Volume 05B  Page 149

THOMAS, CHARLES  JOSEPH mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1864  D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT  Volume 05B  Page 152

THOMAS, ALFRED  JOHN mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT  Volume 05B  Page 131

THOMAS, JAMES  EDMONDS mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 170

THOMAS, JAMES  EDWARD mmn EDMONDS 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL  Volume 01C  Page 311

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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 05 September 20 10:34 BST (UK) »
Wow! You've all been very busy researching Leonard and his brothers. Seems odd Jamjar that one of the Crabbe children was Alfred Rowe Crabbe, Rowe was the middle name of Leonard's grandmother who was Jane Rowe Edmonds, maybe just a coincidence? Leonard's brother, Harold was the only one of the grandchildren who carried the name within his.
I have now obtained Leonard's marriage and death certificates which are more expensive than here by about a pound each! Maybe the registrars misheard his mother's maiden name which was Curwood not Carwood.
Leonard was 30 when he married Amy and she was 45, both were born in London it says.
Thank you once again for all your help.
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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 September 20 10:39 BST (UK) »
Reply #13 explains the Rowe middle name connections.

If I am correct then Jane Rowe Edmonds was also the grandmother of Amy.

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Re: Leonard George Thomas b Q3 1895 Willesden Middx
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 05 September 20 10:49 BST (UK) »
Jamjar, according to Findagrave for Amy, her father was the son of Joseph William George Thomas and Jane Edith Rowe. I imagine that Thomas and Rowe must be common names in Devon?
Amy's father appears to have migrated to Australia whereas Leonard's father didn't but he and 2 of his brothers did. According to Leonard's death certificate he lived in Cairns for 40 years so must have migrated when he was about 26, say c 1921-wonder if there are any immigration or passenger lists for him?
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