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John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« on: Sunday 06 September 20 18:49 BST (UK) »
I have found two privates (service nos 2217 and 4428) named John Newman, who received medals serving in the 28th Regiment of Foot in the Crimean War, and would appreciate any help in identifying which of them was John William Newman. 

John William Newman was a private in the regiment when he became father to Elizabeth Mary Newman, born in Salford on 8 March 1851 and baptised on 11 May 1851 in Manchester Cathedral, and William Joseph Edgar Newman, born in Sculcoates, in 1853.  Newman's widowed wife Mary remarried on 19 November 1856.  My assumption is that Newman died during, or as a consequence of, the Crimean War, but I have not found a record of his death.         

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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 September 20 19:30 BST (UK) »
Possible clue - 2217 John Newman was stationed in Manchester for the 1851 census with 28th Foot  aged 25 married born Barking Essex.  Elizabeth Mary's birth is listed in the army births - 28th Regiment.

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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 September 20 19:59 BST (UK) »
Many thanks MaxD.

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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 September 20 09:38 BST (UK) »
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I have found two privates (service nos 2217 and 4428) named John Newman

It's not 4428 - it's 4028. He was discharged to pension in 1860: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F1487%2F121%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO97%2F1487%2F766737
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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 September 20 14:12 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Shaun J, that clears it up.  Someone put a very useful 1857 map of Manchester/Salford on Rootschat, which meant I could see that John Newman's wife and child were living a few streets from the barracks in 1851. His medal citation has WO as remarks.  I don't know what that means.  Wounded perhaps?   

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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 06 June 21 14:30 BST (UK) »
John William Newman private 2217 seems to be right one.  What has now confused me is that when his daughter Elizabeth Mary Newman married in 1875, she listed her father as "John William Newman (deceased) Pensioner 28th Regiment," which, by mentioning pensioner, suggests to me that he might have survived the war, or am I misreading this?  If he did survive, then his wife Mary Richardson would have bigamously married William Simpson on 19 Nov 1856, which is possible.  When his son William Joseph Edgar Newman married in 1884 and again in 1900, he listed his father as "William John Newman (deceased) Sail Maker", which is quite odd as his mother Mary Simpson did not die until 1910 and could have given him the correct information if they were still in touch. 

I would welcome any advice or suggestions.

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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 06 June 21 17:24 BST (UK) »
It certainly wasn't 4028. He didn't join the army until 1854 (aged 17)
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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 06 June 21 17:48 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Shaun J.  Eliminating 4028 definitely helps.

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Re: John William Newman, 28th Regiment of Foot
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 June 21 19:08 BST (UK) »
2217 didn't die in the Crimea - that would have been noted on the medal roll. "WO" could suggest that his medal would be sent to/retained by the War Office.
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