Could Cathleen MOORE and Cathleen HUTCHISON, 1888 be the same people?

[darianb]

Due to some close DNA matches, I have a hypothesis that my great grandfather, Frederick William MOORE had a daughter out of wedlock, named Cathleen in 1888.

On Ancestry there is a birth for Cathleen MOORE, Auckland, 1888 folio 2276 but that doesn't show up on BDM. What I can see though is the birth of Cathleen HUTCHISON, mother Margaret, father Frederick in 1888. This birth is another one of the seven births on folio 2276 in 1888 on Ancestry. The reason I believe these could be the same people is that when Cathleen marries Percy ALLPORT in 1910, her name is MOORE. They then move in with Margaret SCHILLER/SCHULER (nee HUTCHISON) in 109 Richmond Rd according to the 1911 electoral roll.

On folio 2276 five of the seven names have BDM numbers 1888/16578-16582 but two are missing, including Cathleen MOORE.

Frederick William MOORE lived a road away in Parnell from Margaret HUTCHISON, who also lived a road away from Frederick William SCHILLER/Frederich Wilhelm SCHULER (a German immigrant whose name changed over the years) who she married in 1894, meaning they could easily have known each other.

Question: In 1888, how would a birth be recorded if the parents were not married or if the father was not involved? Could it be mother's surname but father's first name listed? Has anyone seen a situation where a birth shows up on Ancestry but not BDM?

Thanks
Darian

[TwiggyTree]

Death
1975/39675, ALLPORT, Cathleen, 24 May 1888

Birth
1888/16579   Hutchison   Cathleen   Margaret   Frederick
Interpolating the date for this birth gives 24 May 1888

[Lucy2]

Question: In 1888, how would a birth be recorded if the parents were not married or if the father was not involved? Could it be mother's surname but father's first name listed? Has anyone seen a situation where a birth shows up on Ancestry but not BDM?

Hello Darian

To answer your question(s) firstly .....

*   Despite whatever the legal requirement was at the time of a birth, (any birth),  there was always the capacity for "false" information to be provided to the registrar.    [e.g. In many a case, where the parents weren't married to each other, it may simply have been a desire on, say, the mother's part, to have her child's birth record show "a father's name.   ]

Please refer to following which shows the "data collected" for birth registration in New Zealand :

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/birth

Obviously you would need to view the Birth registration record for Cathleen HUTCHISON (1888) to ascertain what further information appears.   
[If purchasing this record from  NZ BDM, be sure to request the "printout" version of same, which will give the maximum amount of information available. ]

*   Yes, I've seen many a birth registration listed on the ancestry.com website, but not similarly listed on the NZ BDM online index.    In some instances this has been due to spelling errors.
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Can you tell us when your great grandfather Frederick William MOORE, married, please ?   (There are several men of that name.)

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi Darian

Had just been about to add similar info to that of Twiggy Tree     ....

Of course you will already know that Cathleen married as "Kathleen Mabel MOORE" to Percy ALLPORT in 1910.

In the Will of Percy ALLPORT dated 31 March 1949, he does however clarify that his wife "Cathleen" is also known as "Kathleen".

     ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Just for the record here ...

The NZ Birth Index at ancestry.com, has  >

1888

HUTCHISON - Cathleen

MOORE - Cathleen

  both Folio 2276  ... both registered 3rd Quarter ... at Auckland


[Darian ---  It may be worthwhile either phoning or emailing NZ BDM to get their take on why these two records exist   We here, can only speculate.   You'll probably still have to purchase the birth printout to get all the info, though .     ]

    ~  Lu

[TwiggyTree]

In my experience 2 (or more) entries on a birth folio (microfiche) indicate that a formal adoption has taken place.   Then there is usually also a later birth folio entry at the adoption date too.

[minniehaha]

1888/16579   Hutchison   Cathleen   Margaret   Frederick**

**A clue??


Minniehaha.

[Lucy2]

Hi Darian

Not sure if you are interested in having additional information for Margaret HUTCHISON (SCHULER) ?

At this link you can see some details of her death  >

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138828195/margaret-schuler#source

Have some other links I'll post shortly confirming that Margaret SCHULER moved with her second family, to Canada.

    ~  Lu

Edit :  addition to existing text

[Lucy2]

Darian, if you have access to ancestry (*worldwide), then there is a Canadian Expeditionary Force record WW1 for Margaret's son (Gustave Adolphe John SCHULER) known as "Gus".
Born Auckland, 10 February 1896 / Next-of-Kin :  (Mother)  Margaret SCHULER, Powell River, British Colombia, Canada.


Death:
Gustave Adolphe J. SCHULER
Died - 16 January 1976 aged 79 - Vancouver BC
Obituary date - 21 January 1976
[Info: at ancestry.com ]

   ~   Lu