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William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« on: Tuesday 08 September 20 08:07 BST (UK) »
Where might I find information regarding folk who lived in Castle-street, Holborn, London during the 1820s?

My interest is William ELGAR.

From Ancestry (London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943), the only entry I find has Elgar William, Coal-merch't. at 1825 living at 17 Castle-street, Holborn. 

At his death 12 July 1827, in Thames-street London, Elgar was recorded as living in Castle-street.

Also, can I determine if his wife and 4 children were living with him during his time in Castle-street?

Thank you for your time.

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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 08:32 BST (UK) »
From the 1830 Land Tax Records on Ancestry there is a widow Elgar in Castle St, Holborn.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex
EDWARDS, York

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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 08:38 BST (UK) »
The 1830 directory has Wm Elgar coal merchant at that address

What are the names of his wife and children, so we can see if we can trace them in the area?


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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 08:47 BST (UK) »
"On the 12th Inst. suddenly, of an apoplectic fit, Mr. W. Elgar, of Castle-street, Holborn, formerly of Maidstone."  (The Sun, 18 July 1827, The Atlas, 22 July 1827)

Various bankruptcy notices in The Gazette, 1813-1826

 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/
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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 08:49 BST (UK) »
Children all appear to have been baptised at Maidstone, in the Non Conformist registers. According to some trees on Ancestry William was buried at Maidstone.

Ian C
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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex
EDWARDS, York

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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 14:15 BST (UK) »
The 1830 directory has Wm Elgar coal merchant at that address

What are the names of his wife and children, so we can see if we can trace them in the area?

I saw the 1830 entry. Knowing Wm. had died in 1827, I let it slip.
Wife: Harriet Elgar (nee Smith)
Children:
Hannah Elgar (Baptized: 1815)
Henry Elgar (1816)
Harriet Smith Elgar(1817)
Margaret Frances Elgar(1818)

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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 14:30 BST (UK) »
Children all appear to have been baptised at Maidstone, in the Non Conformist registers. According to some trees on Ancestry William was buried at Maidstone.

Ian C

Yes, all the children were baptized as you state.

The initial challenge was finding William among the many in that area of Kent.
The burial location we have for Wm. from Ancestry is: Kingsdown (Near Eynesford), Kent, England

From a copy of the burial certificate found in records at the Public Records Office Victoria
Burials in the Parish of Kingsdown in the County of Kent in the year 1827
Name: William Elgar no 149
Abode: St Andrew Holborn London
When buried July 16
Age 54 years

I've not yet confirmed either of these pieces of information with records at the Kent Archives.
 

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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 14:33 BST (UK) »
From the 1830 Land Tax Records on Ancestry there is a widow Elgar in Castle St, Holborn.

Ian C

I don't find this transaction when I search starting with Harriet Elgar.  Clearly I need a better understanding of the data available.  More work is needed.

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Re: William ELGAR in Castle Street Holborn in the 1820s
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 08 September 20 14:47 BST (UK) »
"On the 12th Inst. suddenly, of an apoplectic fit, Mr. W. Elgar, of Castle-street, Holborn, formerly of Maidstone."  (The Sun, 18 July 1827, The Atlas, 22 July 1827)

Various bankruptcy notices in The Gazette, 1813-1826

 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/

We have the information regarding William's death.  One stated he was walking with his wife and 2 children to catch the Margate Packet.  A Maidstone newspaper when reporting William's death in 1827, stated he had been gone from the area for a few years - maybe c1825? 

My initial reaction was that Harriet was returning home (?) after visiting her husband in the city.  It now seems likely she (all?) were to travel down the river to Kent.  Maybe to visit family?

We found 3 bankruptcy events for William. I followed up the events with the NA.  The cost of obtaining information was prohibitive.  I didn't take up their "offer".