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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 08:33 BST (UK) »
Where were they living when Mary Ellen died?

Does he state he was a labourer on all documents you have him on?

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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 09:19 BST (UK) »
Where were they living when Mary Ellen died?

Does he state he was a labourer on all documents you have him on?

The address on Mary Ellen's death certificate is Gas St Failsworth

The list of occupations that I have for him and their sources are

1901 Labourer - Marriage Certificate
1902 Ship Fireman -Birth Certificate Ellen Jackson
1904 Labourer in Electric Works - Birth certificate Edith Jackson
1908 Foundry Labourer - Death Certificate Ellen Jackson
1920 Steel Erector - Birth Certificate Edna Jackson
1937 Steel Erector - Death Certificate Mary Ellen Jackson
1947 Store Keeper - Engineers - Death Certificate Thomas Jackson
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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 13:33 BST (UK) »
If you search 1939 register for a steel erector, there is a possible T J born 1877.
His job might entail working from home.

It is difficult with censuses. I am presuming he was born in Manchester but maybe not   :-\

1901 3747/16/4
shows ThomasJackson 25 yrs, a General Labourer b Manchester in lodgings in London Road so not  too far away from Mill Street but of course no parents.
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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 21:39 BST (UK) »
Thomas Jackson could have been illegitimate, and so 'John' will not appear on any censuses.

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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 22:23 BST (UK) »
You will have to bear with me here - I am not sure how or if this fits

I have been looking at this lady to try to establish a link. I was hoping she might be the mother of Thomas thinking as chempat suggests that he could be illegitimate.
The starting point - Mary Hannah Jackson, witness to the wedding of Thomas Jackson and Mary Ellen Brown.

Mary Hannah Jackson abt 1861, Manchester. However, looking again, the other witness is George Francis Brown.
Mary Hannah in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW14-55R

The two younger children have mmn Greenwood.
Marriage
1900 Emma Greenwood and George F Brown. They are also in 1911 census together.

1891 3235/140

Esther Greenwood 43 yrs, head of household with step sister, Mary Hannah Jackson and Emma Greenwood, niece.

They are together in 1881 too.

I havenít checked to see if George Francis Brown is your Mary Ellenís brother/relative but I am now wondering if Mary Hannah Jackson is a witness because she is connected in a roundabout way to Mary Ellen Brown and not a relative of Thomas.... phew!
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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 22:50 BST (UK) »
Yes, I was hoping she would be his Mother, but not getting anywhere with that idea.  I had been concentrating on trying to find her in 1901 with Thomas, or on preceding censuses with him, with or without a husband/father.

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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 09 September 20 23:53 BST (UK) »
1881 and 1891 census - found a possible match (Cholton ED 22, Piece 3899, Folio 18, Page 29)
Thomas Jackson born 1878 (Manchester) to John Jackson aged 35 Sarah Jackson aged 34

Birth Registrations
 A search of the GRO for 1878 gave me 2 possible matches
* Thomas Jackson District Manchester Vol 8d P228 Mother Maiden name Downey
* Thomas Jackson District Cholton Vol 8c P709 Mother Maiden name Thompson

However I can't seem to find a marriage which relates to John Jackson  with a Downey or Thompson

Just to try and clear him up, a possible birth
JACKSON, THOMAS       
Mother's Maiden Surname: BOOTH 
GRO Reference: 1877  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 748

And one for 15 months old James from the 1881 census
JACKSON, JAMES       
Mother's Maiden Surname: BOOTH 
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 752

1891, all born Ardwick
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7C28-DN2

John W, 9 in 1891, might be this one?
JACKSON, JOHN  WILLIAM     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BOOTH 
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 720

Was Walter illegitimate and Booth in 71?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZP6-SRJ

Is the marriage the one at Ardwick St Silas in 1876? :-\
John Jackson + Emma Booth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-61QN-JP?i=113

This may not turn out to be the right family or Thomas of course, and you will no doubt want to look closely at the steel erector in 1939 found by heywood.

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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 10 September 20 00:08 BST (UK) »
Baptism of Walter, 13 Feb 1870, Saint Andrew Ancoats
Mother Emma Booth, a Tenter (as per later marriage)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-61QN-JP?i=113

So Sarah in 1881 should be Emma :)

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Re: Help with beginners brick wall: Finding Thomas Jackson
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 10 September 20 00:16 BST (UK) »
Marriage at St Silas, Ardwick, 20 Nov 1899
Thomas Jackson, 22, Bachelor, Packer, 8(?) Back York St, father John Jackson, Navvy
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Betsy Morris, 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6P23-M25?i=90&cc=1788853

In 1901 there is Thomas Jackson, 23, born Ardwick, married to Betsy, with Morris in laws
piece 3677 folio page 30
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X924-ZDT

Is this the Thomas we have just been looking at? Thus eliminating him? :-\