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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 10 September 20 18:42 BST (UK) »
You stated on the other thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766429.0
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I know Sidney and Beatrice moved to Croston, Preston, Lancashire shortly after this and had six children.
In this instance 'this' refers to the 1912 marriage.

You said earlier that you wanted to confirm that she was not at that address (ie 42 Oyster Street) after 1911.  Surely if her children with Sidney were all born in Lancashire, then it stands to reason that she was not living at 42 Oyster Street.  Children had to be registered in the district in which they were born.  Why would she go to Lancashire from Portsmouth for every birth?  :-\


I was confused by "Croston, Preston" as I didn't think Croston came under Preston for residential and registration purposes.
Were these the children (with registration years)? Florence 1914, Sidney William 1916, Alfred John 1918, Thomas 1920, Ernest 1923, Harold 1926. Registered with mother's maiden surname Field.
Registration sub district Croston. Registers at Preston. This means that the original registers are stored at Preston not that Croston was a sub district of Preston.  (Births index on Lancashire BMD website)
I looked up Sidney in GRO index to births. Registered in Chorley district. https?www.gro.gov.uk

Description of The Parish of Croston on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website
 www.lan-opc.org.uk/Croston/index.html


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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 10 September 20 19:55 BST (UK) »
Another death that could be a possibility

Deaths Jun 1974   

DAVIS    Beatrice Maud    15SE1887    Greenwich    12   1177

Birth registration

GODWIN, BEATRICE  MAUD     GATES 
GRO Reference: 1888  S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 481

The death is one year out going by the birth.

Probate record:-

DAVIS Beatrice Maud of 39 Canberra Road, Bexleyheath, Kent died 7 June 1974.  Probate London 21 August £13061 740126795G

Is she your Beatrice?

1939 has her birth date as 17 June 1888.

No probate for the 1955 death that I mentioned earlier.
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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #29 on: Friday 11 September 20 14:19 BST (UK) »
No, I dont think thats my Beatrice Maud.

Thank you for all your help.
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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #30 on: Friday 11 September 20 17:19 BST (UK) »
You stated on the other thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766429.0
that
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I know Sidney and Beatrice moved to Croston, Preston, Lancashire shortly after this and had six children.
In this instance 'this' refers to the 1912 marriage.

You said earlier that you wanted to confirm that she was not at that address (ie 42 Oyster Street) after 1911. 

Surely if her children with Sidney were all born in Lancashire, then it stands to reason that she was not living at 42 Oyster Street.  Children had to be registered in the district in which they were born.  Why would she go to Lancashire from Portsmouth for every birth?  :-\


Do you have the birth certificate of their first child giving their address?

I was confused by "Croston, Preston" as I didn't think Croston came under Preston for residential and registration purposes.

Were these the children (with registration years)?
Florence 1914,
Sidney William 1916,
Alfred John 1918,
T  1920,
E 1923,
H 1926. Registered with mother's maiden surname Field.

Registration sub district Croston. Registers at Preston. This means that the original registers are stored at Preston not that Croston was a sub district of Preston.  (Births index on Lancashire BMD website)
I looked up Sidney in GRO index to births. Registered in Chorley district. https?www.gro.gov.uk

Description of The Parish of Croston on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website
 www.lan-opc.org.uk/Croston/index.html

Amended to edit some of the names born after 1918 just in case.....

Is this a late baptism for E Davis born 1923?

From Lancashire OPC

2 Dec 1959 St Michael & All Angels, Croston, Lancashire
E DAVIS parents Sidney Davis & Beatrice Maude
Notes: Conditional Baptism

if she divorised John Field to marry again, where would I find her divorce records.

You could check here - although I didn't see anything
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/#4-divorce-case-files-1858-1937

For infoÖ. Just in case you donít have details from the m/c married 14th Nov 1905
John age 20  occ confectioner his father Thomas, occ Seaman RN
Beatrice age 18 her father Alfred occ Carter

Have added a snippet of the 1905 marriage entry for Beatrice in case you wanted to compare her signature on her marriage cert. to Sidney

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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #31 on: Friday 11 September 20 19:12 BST (UK) »
Are any of the children of Sidney and Beatrice alive? I posted their names and birth registrations in my reply #27. I shouldn't have done if they are alive.
Ladyhawk re conditional baptism 1959 in reply #30, there were marriage banns for a man with the same name at that church 1949. (Bride was of a parish in Southport.) There are baptisms for 2 children of the couple in 1950s at St. Michael, Croston. Not naming them as they are likely to be alive.
Records indicate that Beatrice & Sidney's family were in Croston 1912-1926 and one of their sons was still there in 1950s. Have any of them been found on 1939 Register?
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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #32 on: Saturday 12 September 20 09:59 BST (UK) »
Are any of the children of Sidney and Beatrice alive?

I posted their names and birth registrations in my reply #27.

I shouldn't have done if they are alive.


Maiden Stone - Have amended my post for names after 1918 just in case......possible death entries for E DAVIS
born 15 1 1923 Mar 2002 West Lancashire
or
born 5 1 1923 Mar 1999 Lancaster

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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 12 September 20 10:14 BST (UK) »
Have any of them been found on 1939 Register?
If I have the right family, they are living in Chorley, Lancashire in 1939.

Maiden Stone - Son's death entries

Harold DAVIS Born 13 2 1926 Dec 2001 Chorley
Thomas DAVIS Born 20 10 1920 Jun 2001 Preston & South Ribble

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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 12 September 20 10:40 BST (UK) »
Florence Davis married John W Alty 1939 Chorley
Death
Florence Alty
b 25-3-1914
d 2/1981 Chorley

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Re: How to find someone after 1911 and when is the 1921 census coming out
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 12 September 20 18:21 BST (UK) »
I was too late to take out names from my reply #30.
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