1891/1901 Census

[steve62]

Samuel Bowler 1841-(1881-1911)  & Fanny Bayliss 1841-1917
children; Lucy A. (1866-1949) (Spinster) and Minnie Ada (1871-1945) married 1898.

Cannot use Anc. FindMyPast - my Italian cards not accepted.  Having trouble with FS = Frustrated.

Have Census for 1871, 1881 & 1911.  Exists Census 1891 and 1901 FS, but cannot get the actual census.
I would be very grateful if someone could check these 2 Census for me.
 
Further info I have;  1871 Samuel Policeman. 1881 No Samuel.  1911 Fanny Widow.  Having these two Census I can ascertain also when Samuel died.

Thanking you in anticipation

Steve62

[CaroleW]

1891 Fanny & daughter Lucy are in Northamptonshire visiting the Groom family.  Fanny is shown as married

RG12/1221/5/4

[CaroleW]

In 1901 she is mistranscribed as Bowles.  Shown as a widow.  She & daughter Lucy are living in Notts

RG13/3167/125/4

[steve62]

Great! Thank you for your time.
Appreciated.
Steve62

[CaroleW]

Am sending you a pm

[steve62]

Can I just generalise a moment  about Samuel.

Thank you for the PM and have noted.

1871 Census - Samuel (Policeman)
1881 Census - No Samuel
1891 Groom family in Northamptonshire - Fanny (Dressmaker, Visitor) Lucy A. (Schoolmistress, Boarder)
1891 - Nottinghamshire - Minnie Ada (Dressmaker) .  No Samuel
1901 - Nottinghamshire - Fanny (Widow), Lucy.

Can assume he died between 1871 and 1891 or 1901.  No records to match on GRO in all of the UK.

On ANC, without subscription, it is possible to see other trees with limited info.  Confusion here; on the Bowler-Whelpdale Tree Samuel is married to a Charlotte b. 1853.  There is Whelpdale marriage to a Bowler in my tree.  The Bowler-Cave Tree Samuel is married to a Fanny b. 1841. There is a Cave marriage to a Bowler in my tree.

  Its confusing and I don't think we will get to the bottom of this.  I'll add him to my list of people "disappeared in thin air".

I'd like to thank you for your time and effort, which is most appreciated.

Steve

[CaroleW]

Fanny shows herself as married until the 1901 entry

This 1911 entry is transcribed as Bowler on Ancestry as per the image but this couple are not found under either surname in 1901/1891 which does not help!!

Samuel has the same birthplace as in your opening post

1911

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X714-81F

Died 1923 Sussex

[amondg]

I think you may have the wrong marriage for Samuel Bowler

Samuel Bowler who married Fanny Bayliss 1863 had a son Samuel 1864 registered Aston with mothers maiden name Bayliss.

They went to USA 1868 per 1900 census of New York transcribed as Bouler
Spring Street New York
Samuel age 68 born England parents both born England
Fanny age 61 born England parents born England
Samuel 35 born England parents born England (naturalized citizen) look for application

the son Samuel marries Florence ? about 1904/5
1910 census New York
Samuel 45 born England parents born England
Florence 26 born Russia parents born Russia
Jeanette 4
Dorothy 2

The son Samuel dies 14 August 1940 age 71 at Kings County Hospital, death certificate informant wife Florence, gives his parents as Samuel Bowler and Fanny Bayliss  who were born England.

[amondg]

Your Samuel must have married  1866-1870 if one occurred

Lucy Annie Wilkinson (illegitimate) was registered Nottingham 1865 born 30 May 1865 (dies 1949 age 84)
Minnie Ada Bowler registered Radford 1871 mothers maiden name Wilkinson