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Re: 1891/1901 Census
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 12 September 20 22:52 BST (UK) »
Fanny shows herself as married until the 1901 entry

This 1911 entry is transcribed as Bowler on Ancestry as per the image but this couple are not found under either surname in 1901/1891 which does not help!!

Samuel has the same birthplace as in your opening post

1911

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X714-81F

Died 1923 Sussex

Is this the same Samuel as per 1911c?

47, Chester Square, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex
Samuel   Bowler   Servant   Married 1848   Butler Domestic   Nottinghamshire
1901c RG13 Piece 85 Folio   99 Page   7

Chester Square, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex
Samuel   Bowler   Servant   Married   1846   Butler Domestic Servant   Nottingham
1891c RG12 Piece 72 Folio   95 Page   20

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There is this Charlotte Bowler on 1901 census with no husband and three boarders

16, Walham Grove, Fulham, London & Middlesex
Charlotte   Bowler   Wife   Married   1854 Portsmouth, Hampshire
RG13 Piece 60 Folio   75 Page   4


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Re: 1891/1901 Census
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 September 20 23:22 BST (UK) »
Ladyhawk

Those census entries certainly fit with Samuel's occupation in 1911.  Charlotte's birthplace is Chichester in 1911 and Hampshire in 1901 but given the locality I would say it is her

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Well - that find will give Steve food for thought ???
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Re: 1891/1901 Census
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 12 September 20 23:32 BST (UK) »
I was looking at this 1881 census entry for Samuel but born Hants  ???
Surname looks to read Bowler on original entry

80, Eaton Place, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex
Samuel   Bluler   Servant   Married   1844   Butler
RG11 Piece 99 Folio   116 Page   5
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Re: 1891/1901 Census
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 12 September 20 23:38 BST (UK) »
There is this Charlotte Bowler on 1881 census but doesn’t say if she’s married,
she has two children have not checked children’s mmn on GRO indexes as I’m about to sign out

4, Crucifix Lane, Bermondsey, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey
Charlotte   Bowler   Ldgr Head 1852   Dressmaker   Chichester, Sussex
Harry   Bowler   Son   1877   Godalming, Surrey
Florence   Bowler   Daughter   1881 Surrey
RG11 Piece 562 Folio   101 Page   18
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Re: 1891/1901 Census
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 12 September 20 23:50 BST (UK) »
mmn was Lambert on both births but no Lambert/Bowler marriage

In 1871 Charlotte Lambert aged 18 b Chichester is a servant in Sussex

RG10 Piece 1112 Folio 9 Page 10

1891 for Fulham

Charlott Bowler    36 b Portsmouth Hampshire - married
Harry 4 b Godalming
Florence 10 b Fulham
RG12 Piece 48 Folio 182 Page 52

This is interesting given the variation in birthplace

Births Sept qtr 1852   
Lambert    Charlotte    Portsea Island    2b   326      
 
Births June qtr 1853   
Lambert    Charlotte    Chichester 2b   303
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 12 September 20 23:54 BST (UK) »
The 2 birth's tie in with children born on 1911 census but both deceased by 1911.

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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 13 September 20 00:03 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 13 September 20 01:02 BST (UK) »
Your Samuel a bit of a rascal with an aversion to getting legally married was the son of John Bowler and his wife Mary nee Barks. They married 1835 Mansfield Woodhouse.
(in 1871 when he is with Fanny states born Mansfield Woodhouse Notts).

1841 census Mansfield Woodhouse
John Bowler 25
Mary 25
Daniel 4
Joseph 2
*Samuel 7 months

1851 census Mansfield Woodhouse
John 37
Mary 35
Joseph 12
*Samuel 10
Richard 8
Frederick 5
Sarah Ann 3  (dies 1860 age 12)
William 1

1861 Stevenson's Building, Mansfield Woodhouse
John 47
Mary 45
Daniel 24
*Samuel 20
William 11
John 9
Mary 6
David 2
William Bowler 71 boarder (could be his father)

using the GEO index they also had EDITED
Alice 1845--? no of Daniel and Elizabeth
Austin 1847--?no of Daniel and Elizabeth (1841 census Daniel 25 Elizabeth 20) possible brother to John Bowler.

Selina 1851-1859 died age 8
Ann 1853 --?
James 1855-1857 died age 1
Harriet 1856-1859 died age 3

All children had mothers maiden name Barks.

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Re: 1891/1901 Census
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 September 20 07:20 BST (UK) »
Ok folks
Food for thought indeed. Give me time to inwardly digest all info.
Speak later on.

Steve
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