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Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« on: Friday 18 September 20 23:18 BST (UK) »
This is a small portion on an arrival manifest for the  Samuel Plimsoll  into NSW Aug 19-1876

A Mother
Daughter
2 sons left are marked clearly as leaving on the manifest .

They arrived inNSW 19 Aug  and left  a few  weeks later    they  leave on the Dandenong for Victoria on the Dandenong arriving 4 Sept

The mother went missing then and never seen again .

Wondering if we have found one of the children has not  arrived into NSW  perhaps died en route to NSW butim having trouble working out

Margaret Doughterty -Work woman               ( Interesting term ) .
Alicia    then      " do  "
1 child

Is this "do " a ditto for the other child .
It seems odd  that they did not record the  actual child
If not it may  explain the mothers mental state upon arrival in Victoria .

I would load the docs  butthey wont load so trying to load this snippet at least

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Re: Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:36 BST (UK) »
At the freely available NSW archives online images if the Assisted Passenger list for that voyage,  at page 12 of 21,  under the section for Widows and their families:

DOUGHTERY
Margaret, 35, Antrim, Ch of Eng, Both (Read and Write)
Alice, 15, Weaver, Antrim,  CofE, both
Robert, 14, Labourer, Belfast, CofE, Both
John, 10, no further details.

Likely from your attached snip the child would be John, and likely Alice is listed with Margaret as they are both females charged at adult rates for mess purposes. Likely Robert would be listed separately too, as he too, at 14 would be messed as an adult.  I expect your snip is from the images available from the other reels at NSW Archives and made freely available via Mariners and ships in Australian waters website.

JM

This is a small portion on an arrival manifest for the  Samuel Plimsoll  into NSW Aug 19-1876

A Mother
Daughter
2 sons left are marked clearly as leaving on the manifest .

They arrived inNSW 19 Aug  and left  a few  weeks later    they  leave on the Dandenong for Victoria on the Dandenong arriving 4 Sept

The mother went missing then and never seen again .

Wondering if we have found one of the children has not  arrived into NSW  perhaps died en route to NSW butim having trouble working out

Margaret Doughterty -Work woman               ( Interesting term ) .
Alicia    then      " do  "
1 child

Is this "do " a ditto for the other child .
It seems odd  that they did not record the  actual child
If not it may  explain the mothers mental state upon arrival in Victoria .

I would load the docs  butthey wont load so trying to load this snippet at least
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Re: Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:41 BST (UK) »
http://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?Page=NRS5316/4_4800/Samuel%20Plimsoll_19%20Aug%201876/4_480000044.jpg&No=7
Manifest
  I cant see the boy separately  on the manifest  though.
 still not understanding- is that mark    beside Alice  ----- a ditto   mark -----


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Re: Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:43 BST (UK) »

".. they  leave on the Dandenong for Victoria on the Dandenong arriving 4 Sept"

Who went from Sydney to Victoria....what names please?

And sponsor Hugh DOGHERTY is in Australia already.........husband in the colony?

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Re: Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:47 BST (UK) »
Yes, 'do' is the usual abbreviation, so Alice's surname is read as DOGHERTY.

The name of the child is not recorded on your snip. 

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Re: Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:49 BST (UK) »
Ditto for the surname.

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Re: Is this record showing 1 child or 3 children cant understand it.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:50 BST (UK) »
Hopefully  doc will load as i have them all  but they are too  big
Margaret
Miss  10
Robert  12
John  8
Different  ages  for 2 of them  to the manifest dept UK
Yes the deposit journal   was the year before  from memory


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« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:55 BST (UK) »
I have Checked both the digitised lists,  and I do not see any mention of 'leaving ' recorded against Robert or John or Alice.   Perhaps the handwriting is not as easy to read as it could be.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 September 20 23:55 BST (UK) »
Sorry having a  lot of trouble with posts not posting attachments not posting  etc.  Just trying again to post a slither of  what you want