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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 12:10 BST (UK) »
I don't feel that those protesting about their freedom and liberty are denying either the existence or seriousness of covid-19, just that they are willing to accept the consequences and also a desire to keep the economy going so that there is some hope for the future financially.

Some of them will be personally affected by the consequences and whilst most probably wouldn't want their nearest and dearest to suffer/die I feel that generally there is an attitude of 'if that's what it takes....'

This really does appear to be an age divide and I think we just don't see the overall populace attitude on this board as we are all generally well into the upper age bracket with all the vulnerability that brings.

It certainly isn't a representative sample.

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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 12:19 BST (UK) »
I don't feel that those protesting about their freedom and liberty are denying either the existence or seriousness of covid-19, just that they are willing to accept the consequences and also a desire to keep the economy going so that there is some hope for the future financially.

Some of them will be personally affected by the consequences and whilst most probably wouldn't want their nearest and dearest to suffer/die I feel that generally there is an attitude of 'if that's what it takes....'

This really does appear to be an age divide and I think we just don't see the overall populace attitude on this board as we are all generally well into the upper age bracket with all the vulnerability that brings.

It certainly isn't a representative sample.

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I was actually born several years after 1960. My colleagues were born between 1958 and 2002, so the majority were born after 1960.

Whilst I'm sure many of the protestors just disagree on how to manage covid I cannot agree that the general consensus that they agree it's both real and serious.  Having read their placards and comments they have made on Twitter that is not the case for a lot of them.  Comments range from "it's just a cold" and "it's just the flu" underplaying the seriousness of the illness and belying a lack of understanding of 'flu' imo to "I'm fit it won't bother me, I'll be fine" which to me is accepting the potential seriousness but complete seriousness.  Then there are others calling it "scamdemic", saying "it's a fake illness", "they're lying about how many have died " etc.  Proponents of these views have been across the whole spectrum of ages.
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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 12:33 BST (UK) »
Perhaps I should have started ' I don't feel that all those protesting......

Can't see what the fact that your colleagues were born between 1958 and 2002 has to do with what I said.

I am of the opinion that there is a heavy bias of the older fraternity using this board (I am not excluding myself here) and as such it is unlikely that the board will be a representative sample of the populace so it is likely that opinions will be skewed by the older more vulnerable of us on here.  That view seems to be the polar opposite of the opinions I have heard expressed by the younger swathe of society.  Not that they won't assist/volunteer/work or would want their elderly relatives to be adversely affected, but if that is the nature of this serious virus then 'so be it', so that people who are going to majorly contribute to getting the world back on its feet can do so in relative normality.

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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 12:44 BST (UK) »
Perhaps I should have started ' I don't feel that all those protesting......

Can't see what the fact that your colleagues were born between 1958 and 2002 has to do with what I said.

I am of the opinion that there is a heavy bias of the older fraternity using this board (I am not excluding myself here) and as such it is unlikely that the board will be a representative sample of the populace so it is likely that opinions will be skewed by the older more vulnerable of us on here.  That view seems to be the polar opposite of the opinions I have heard expressed by the younger swathe of society.  Not that they won't assist/volunteer/work or would want their elderly relatives to be adversely affected, but if that is the nature of this serious virus then 'so be it', so that people who are going to majorly contribute to getting the world back on its feet can do so in relative normality.

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The point is that they, despite so many of them being younger do no espouse the attitudes attributed to their age group.  The point is although the demographic of this forum is as you say skewed to the older age group it is no only their views that can be reported.  At least not if we fully open our eyes and ears and listen to them instead of dismissing them as being selfish.  I also think there are more members of this forum under 60 than you may think.

Consider this.  You are most likely to hear those complaining about having to follow covid measures, hear those out protesting and perhaps that skews your views of young people.  You're not going to hear the young people who are focusing on studying, going to work, carrying out caring responsibilities, volunteering etc.  The danger is we assume all young people are complaining about having to follow covid measures, and ignoring them because those who aren't complaining and partying are too busy unobtrusively getting on with it.
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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 12:52 BST (UK) »
Who is the 'them' you are dismissing as being selfish?

I said that young people were willing to assist/help/work etc and its great you work with countless numbers of them.  I also didn't say that they were complaining about having to follow covid measures.

Anyway that's enough now - I would really like young people to have a normal daily life even at the expense of myself and some others.

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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 13:19 BST (UK) »
Who is the 'them' you are dismissing as being selfish?

I said that young people were willing to assist/help/work etc and its great you work with countless numbers of them.  I also didn't say that they were complaining about having to follow covid measures.

Anyway that's enough now - I would really like young people to have a normal daily life even at the expense of myself and some others.

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I think that's a mistake many make, and I understand why they do with the way the media reports it.  It is not just about protecting older people it is about protecting everyone.  Although younger people are less likely to be hospitalised many are still becoming very ill and suffering from what has become known as long covid.  It is becoming more apparent that covid can cause myocrditis and aortitis and this in turn can cause permanent lung scarring, it can cause fibrosis of the lungs.  Nobody wants to sentence a whole generation to a lifetime of chronic illness if there is a way to reduce the chance of that.

Then there's the indirect affect, if the hospitals end up completely full with patient's who have covid there is no capacity to treat those who have other illnesses or accidents.  That will impact all generations.  If too many are ill at once then how does the economy run without sufficent staff to operate it?
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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 15:06 BST (UK) »
Judging by the number of University Students testing as positive, it would appear that it's the young who should be shielding?
Letting the older generation to live a normal, Covid-free, life. ;D ;D
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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #43 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 15:23 BST (UK) »
In my opinion whilst I have tried to be upbeat about the whole situation I am becoming more and more downhearted  as time draws on,   whoever is to blame for the spead of this virus is neither here nor there, WE All  have to be careful  and do the right things for our fellow men and women, so I am hoping that people are becoming more sensible as they read the news and new information to be adhered to by ALL , now, not when they feel like it

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Re: England - 10,000 fines for self-isolation breaches
« Reply #44 on: Wednesday 30 September 20 15:36 BST (UK) »

Whilst I'm sure many of the protestors just disagree on how to manage covid I cannot agree that the general consensus that they agree it's both real and serious.  Having read their placards and comments they have made on Twitter that is not the case for a lot of them.  Comments range from "it's just a cold" and "it's just the flu" underplaying the seriousness of the illness and belying a lack of understanding of 'flu' imo to "I'm fit it won't bother me, I'll be fine" which to me is accepting the potential seriousness but complete seriousness.  Then there are others calling it "scamdemic", saying "it's a fake illness", "they're lying about how many have died " etc.  Proponents of these views have been across the whole spectrum of ages.

Ref the 1960s:: 
That just about describes the attitude of one of my offspring born 1965, who believes somebody that she describes as being a "paramedic". This person states a scam is being perpetrated and covid-19 is just a flu and there's no need to take extreme lockdown isolation precautions .   Her brother born 1966 takes totally the opposite view and joins with me that we should take precautions, which will leave the NHS and private health personnel more equipment and more hours to care for patients who have other ailments, such as cancers and heart and chest problems, etc., etc.

P.S. I have to state that I have an interest in people following the latest "best practice" as my hospital oppointment has been cancelled time & time again for seven months during which time I have had an extremely painful eye.  I saw the specialist this week and he is referring me to another hospital.

 
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