Ethel Quin

[derekjwatson25]

On Ethels marriage to Glenister which was in Wycombe on 3/5/1947 it was G Hornsey and A Randall.
On the marriage to Geoffrey Baird which was in Reading on 15/10/1952 it was J L Baird and D Dibley.
We think her father Charles Quin was a local school teacher in Salford.
We think Ethel travelled alone to Cape Town ?

[Christine53]

We think Ethel travelled alone to Cape Town ?

In your first post you mention Ethel travelling to South Africa aboard the Braemar Castle  in November 1953. The only Bairds I can see on this voyage are Mr R and Mrs M Baird travelling together and Mrs E Baird , 25 , travelling with two female children , aged 8 and 5 , from an address in Peterhead ( 10 Cairncatlo Road ). I've not named  the  children as they may well still be living.

[derekjwatson25]

the Braemar Castle left uk on 4/11/53 so the would have made Ethel 25 which looks about right but she could have left with 2 children to marriage to G Baird. Her passenger number on the ship was 417/13
Her daughter who was born in 1947 to her marriage to Glenister was an only child

[CaroleW]

From your reply above you refer to Ethel's father being Charles and possibly a school teacher but in your earlier reply you say there is no fathers name on either of her marriage certs?  So where did Charles name come from? 

The couple mentioned by Nookie have been ruled out

You say she was born 19th January 1928 - where did that info come from?  As I mentioned in my earlier reply there is no birth in England/Wales/Scotland to support that birthdate

[Nookie]

The birth date came from her Land Army records.

If it is correct that she sailed with 2 Baird children, then they surely must have been Geoffrey's children and not hers.  They would have been born round 1945 and 1948. In 1947 she was married to Victor Glenister and had a daughter then, so I don't think they were hers.

Was Geoffrey married before?

Who was the daughter - born in 1947 - living with when she left for South Africa? 

[derekjwatson25]

Unfortunately I can’t scan in the certificates for both her marriage (Copy to large) but on both her fathers name is blank and on her marriage to Geoffrey the mothers name is also blank. Geoffrey is shown as bachelor aged 23.
I’ve asked the daughter if her mother was illegitimate or adopted by the Quin family ( maybe illegally? ) maybe she was employed as a nanny for the 2 children ? It’s quite a mystery I’m afraid

[Nookie]

Who was the daughter living with when Ethel left the country leaving her behind?

[derekjwatson25]

She was brought up with her father and grandparents

[CaroleW]

Geoffrey was only born in 1929.  The children on the voyage  were born 1845 & 1848 so unlikely to have any connection to him.

“And on her marriage to Geoffrey the mothers name is also blank“

Mothers names are never shown on English marriage certs - only fathers?? 

The witness JL Baird was Geoffrey’s brother James L Baird  born 1927

If she was born in 1928 - she was a minor when she married in 1947.  What age is shown for her on the 1947 marriage cert?

Have you checked freebmd - there is no birth reg for an Ethel Quin/Quinn in the March qtr 1928

www.freebmd.org.uk

Geoffrey’s marriage in England in 1959 indicates they either divorced or Ethel died.  It may be an idea to buy a copy of that marriage cert to establish his marital status at that time.