Ethel Quin

[Nookie]

Until we get the marriage/divorce papers I think we are going around in square circles   

However I am going to message Derek with the name of a very reasonable researcher who could get the immigration papers from the Cape Town archives for him should he so wish.

[CaroleW]

Are they the papers referred to in your earlier reply?

IMMIGRATION PAPERS. MR. AND MRS. GB BAIRD.                           
STARTING  1956                                                                 
ENDING    1956

I think Mr G B Baird could be either George Boden Baird or George Brunton Baird - both born Scotland 1928.  My earlier reply shows a George B Baird aged 25 departing 1953 for SA - Government servant

Her second husband was Geoffrey Graham Baird - so G G not G B

[Nookie]

You are so right Carole.  Been at this for too long today, and GB just looked so right at the time! Sorry all 

[CaroleW]

Don't worry - I'm going cross eyed as well

[CaroleW]

Derek

Basically - we have eliminated some things but have not come up with any definitive answers re: Ethel's whereabouts after her marriage to Graham broke down

You will have read my reply 34 re SA but I don't know whether there is any hard & fast evidence to support emigration apart from the verbal story.

Whether or not SA happened is debatable but Graham was back in England & remarried by March qtr 1959

It's down now to a search for an English divorce between him & Ethel or a copy of his 1959 marriage cert to determine his marital status at that time

I've just posted a possible remarriage for Ethel - in the same year & quarter as Graham's remarriage so will leave that one with you to think about. - Reply 44 refers

[derekjwatson25]

Her daughter says her mothers passenger number on the Braemar Castle Union Line to Cape Town was 417/13 and the ship sailed in 4/11/1953.
She’s trying get any further information she can from a cousin but isn’t holding out much hope.
Many thanks so far for all your help to date but I couldn’t find any birth certs anywhere including South Africa as she may have been from there hence the going back alone in 1953 . With a surname like Quin it’s probably of Irish origin ? I thought as it was an unusual spelling it would be an easy trace !

[IgorStrav]

We think Ethel travelled alone to Cape Town ?

In your first post you mention Ethel travelling to South Africa aboard the Braemar Castle  in November 1953. The only Bairds I can see on this voyage are Mr R and Mrs M Baird travelling together and Mrs E Baird , 25 , travelling with two female children , aged 8 and 5 , from an address in Peterhead ( 10 Cairncatlo Road ). I've not named  the  children as they may well still be living.

I note that the Mrs E Baird and the 2 children show a final intended Country of Permanent Residence as South Rhodesia.  Don't know if that makes any difference with the search in Africa

[Nookie]

Evlyne Baird, born in England, died in Zimbabwe in 1968.  Zimbabwe was Southern Rhodesia.

[Nookie]

Her daughter says her mothers passenger number on the Braemar Castle Union Line to Cape Town was 417/13 and the ship sailed in 4/11/1953.
She’s trying get any further information she can from a cousin but isn’t holding out much hope.
Many thanks so far for all your help to date but I couldn’t find any birth certs anywhere including South Africa as she may have been from there hence the going back alone in 1953 . With a surname like Quin it’s probably of Irish origin ? I thought as it was an unusual spelling it would be an easy trace !

Does the daughter have proof of the passenger number?  If so, please post it here.