No certificate GRO

[Dundee]

The first marriages:

Marriages Dec qtr  1856

JONES,    James       
VIZER,    Matilda
Bethnal Green    1c   609

Marriages Sep qtr 1857

PLUMSTEAD, Nathan        
SMELLIE, Sarah Elizabeth   
Bethnal Gn    1c   639

Both also on Ancestry.

You will probably find that Matilda's surname was VOIZIER/VOYZIER and most of them morphed into nonsense spellings by the mid/late 1800s.  It is a #@!* surname to research.

Debra 

[Guy Etchells]

Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.

That is illegal report any that do that to the Registrar General and insist the registers are removed from the register office and the Superintendent Registrar be replaced as they are not carrying out the legally required duties.

The law requires:-

The 1953 Act for the registration of births and deaths in England and Wales

"31.-(1) Every superintendent registrar shall cause indexes of the registers of live-births and registers of deaths in his register office to be made and to be kept with the other records of that office, and the Registrar General shall supply to every superintendent registrar suitable forms for the making of such indexes.
(2) Any person shall be entitled at any time when the register office is required to be open for the transaction of public business to search the said indexes, and to have a certified copy of any entry in the said registers under the hand of the superintendent register, on payment by that person to the of the superintendent registrar of the following fees respectively, that is to say-..."

Similarly for marriage certificates:-

The Marriage Act, 1949
"65.-(I) The Registrar General shall cause indexes of all certified copies of entries in marriage register books sent to him under this Part of this Act to be made and kept in the General Register Office.
(2) Any person shall be entitled to search the said indexes between the hours of ten in the morning and four in the afternoon of every day, except Sundays, Christmas Day and Good Friday, and to have a certified copy of any entry in the said certified copies of marriage register books, on payment to the Registrar General or to such other person as may be appointed to act on his behalf of the following fee, that is to say :-"

Cheers
Guy

[Bookbox]

Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.

That is illegal report any that do that to the Registrar General and insist the registers are removed from the register office and the Superintendent Registrar be replaced as they are not carrying out the legally required duties.

Yes, Guy, we know this, but some of us may prefer a less confrontational approach.

[Guy Etchells]

Many London register offices will no longer carry out searches or issue certificates for historical events. They will simply refer you to the GRO.

That is illegal report any that do that to the Registrar General and insist the registers are removed from the register office and the Superintendent Registrar be replaced as they are not carrying out the legally required duties.

Yes, Guy, we know this, but some of us may prefer a less confrontational approach.

That is why we are getting a poor service from them because people will not stand up and be counted.
The 1911 census was made public early because someone stood up for their rights, the 1939 was released early because someone stood up for their rights.
If you do not take action then nothing will ever changed for the better.

I do not know when you started doing genealogy but until 1975 we could walk into a superintendant registrars office and search through the registers ourselves, then it was stopped without any change in the law. In a similar way we are still allowed to search the registers in the registrars office but many try to say we are not allowed to. If we do not stand up for our rights we lose them.
Cheers
Guy

[arthurk]

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