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Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« on: Thursday 24 September 20 00:08 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help.
I have Samuel Wyner (unknown birth, unknown death) who was said to be from Estonia who married Rachel Welling 1889-1957 from Lativa, moved to London and and then South Africa
probably married in South Africa? before Australia in 1913-4, known children, Isadore Lewis 1916-2008, George 1917-2001, Jack 1919-2000, Victor 192?-2006 and Marie 1927-.
Rachel parents: Pesach Chatzkel (Morris)Welling born 1866 and Rivka Rebecca "Becky" Freedman born 1868.
There is a great transcript online (2007) where Isadore or Issy mentioned he met one of Samuel's brothers from San Francisco recently and there were other brothers.
Issy also mentions he used to write letters to his mother's parents in Cape Town, South Africa.
Samuel disappeared in the 1930's but I discovered in Trove a divorce case in 1938 which was dismissed, Wyner v Ray Wyner. I have seen mention of Rachel as Rae in NSW BDM .

Any help would be most welcome and thank you in advance.
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Paul Williams
Looking for Williams (Merthyr) and (Briton Ferry), as well as Abraham (Abercanaid)and Gerrard (Dorset and London)

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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 September 20 02:11 BST (UK) »
Hi
Is it that you are trying to find Samuel WYNER after the divorce petition?

There were numerous newspaper mentions of the petition and Jack and Isadore married in NSW.

Divorce petition dismissed- Samuel Wyner v Ray Wyner formerly Welling. 1938 NSW
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17514628

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236415279

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229129011?
 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/247342970

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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 September 20 04:16 BST (UK) »
FYI Here is the interment for Marie ZINES nee WYNER.

Marie ZINES
Birth unknown 
Death 20 Aug 2015 
Burial
Plot Zone H Section 23E Grave 687

Her husband Jack Reuben ZINES
Jack Rueban Zines
Birth   unknown
Death27 Jul 1991
Burial    
Plot   Zone H Section 23E Grave 688

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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 September 20 04:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,
Many thanks for the additional information and updates.

I just have no real information for Samuel's birth or death. He is last mentioned in Victor's 16 Mar 1940  Bar mitzvah at the Great Synagogue, The Hebrew Standard of Australiasia 7th March 1940 issue.
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Paul Williams
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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 September 20 04:59 BST (UK) »
The Death Notice for Rachel published Sydney Morning Herald Oct 1957 makes no mention of her husband.

This item may suggest Samuel and Rachel are still together.1940.Barmitzvah of son Victor.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/121208073

This one is clear they are not together.1944. Refers only to Mrs S WYNER
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/120617405

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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 September 20 05:08 BST (UK) »
The transcription of the birth certificate of any of the children born in Australia will give you the following information.

Some of it will help with your details for Samuel.
The cost has been reduced to about $18 recently.  Have you the link to order?


Name
Date
Place
Father's name
Father's occupation
Father's age
Father's birthplace
Mother's name
Maiden name
Mother's age
Mother's birthplace
Marriage date
Previous children

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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 September 20 05:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,
Many thanks again, I had found the article on Victor from 1940.
But Rachel's Obituary from 1957 I have not seen does it add any information? from what I discovered Rachel lived with Marie and Jack in Hurstville.
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Paul Williams
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Re: Estonia Latvia Wyner Welling South Africa and Australia
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 September 20 06:20 BST (UK) »
Typed  from the SMH Oct 1 1957

Haven't typed the name of the inlaws, but you will know them anyway.

WYNER , Rachel Sept 29th 1957 at Royal South Sydney Hospital late of Hurstville beloved mother of Isadore,George,Jack, Victor and Marie (Mrs Zines). Loving mother in law of R.. TD J.. and Jack and a loved grandmother.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 September 20 08:09 BST (UK) »
Rachel (Ray) and Samuel  married in Cape Town in 1913.
He was 24 at that time.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-994X-2QQ6?i=31&cc=1935348

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