James Simpkins ...1861 census, Westminster, London.

[suej]

Can anyone help me find a James Simpkins b.1821. who in 1861  was married to a Rachael. The registration district was St George, Hanover Sq, and the sub-reg district was St John, Westminster. I have him in the 1871 and 1881 census but need 1861 to see if there were any children.
Many thanks.
Suej.

[PaulineJ]

I have him in the 1871 and 1881 census but need 1861 to see if there were any children.
Many thanks.
Suej.

Can you supply the address, so that someone can search on that?

Pauline

[suej]

Hi Pauline.

The last address I have for James Simpkins is in 1881 when he lived at  8 Douglas Place . However in 1881 he was married to Emma who at one time was "the woman next door"

The only 1871 info I have is that he was 50 years old, married to Rachael and the source information was RG10/124,  Folio 9, Page9.

 Hope this can help someone find him in 1861. 
Suej.

[PaulineJ]

The only 1871 info I have is that he was 50 years old, married to Rachael and the source information was RG10/124,  Folio 9, Page9.

 Hope this can help someone find him in 1861. 
Suej.

No. One needs a street address to search on. There is no correlation between references in census years.

Pauline

[suej]

Thank you Pauline. To be perfectly honest I don't know where to go from here. I have tried Ancestry.com and Family search and cannot find a marriage for James & Rachael but it would appear they were married in 1861.

Have to put my thinking cap on and keep trying.

Many thanks

Sue J

[DebsB]

Hi Sue

I just came across your mailing and am hunting for information on this same family. I beleive that James Simpkins  (a chimney sweep by proffesion) was my great grandfather. If this is the case, he must have re-married to Emma in 1873 and in this case, his first wife would have been Rachael as you say - although I never knew that!  Do you have a cope of the census record at all? Anyway, his son, Henry Simpkins, born in Vauxhall Road in London about 1859, was my Grandfather. Let me know if there is a link to your side?

Cheers
Debs

[suej]

Hi Debs,
The details I have are as follows:.
James Simpkins b. 1822 in London was a chimney sweep.
He married Rachael.  I do not know when, but in the 1871 census he is shown as being married  to Rachael who at that time was 49 years old.
On the same census, the next door neighbour is, lo and behold, Emma Evans, a widow aged 35 years employed as a charwoman.
James married Emma in June 1873. I do not know what happened to Rachael. I learnt these details from a Roots chat member.  I have not as yet been able to find details of James and Rachaels marriage.
It could be that your grandfather  Henry Simpkins is the son of James and Rachael and my grandfather is the son of James and Emma, and is called James Henry b. 1873.
It could be that we have the same Great Grandfather but different grandfathers.  If I find out any more I will let you know.

Another snippet of information is that in the 1891 census James is a widower and an inmate at the St George Union Workhouse. He died in 1899 at the age of 78 in Wandsworth.
Regards

sue j

[DebsB]

Hi Sue

More information since my last posting...whcih just arrived by post...
On Henry's marriage certificate to a Jane Bailey, in the Parish of Lambeth, Surrey in 1877, James Simpkins (his father), is listed as a Chimney Sweep, but has dec written beneath his name, thus deceased? At the time of their marriage both she and Henry were living at Frederick Place.  If by 1877, James was deceased, (which I assume is what that means), then it is also possible that the James Simpkins born in 1821, was in fact, his grandfather! I have the Simpkins line from Henry down, but am stumped on James. A wonderful lady in england is also helping me hunt through other census records to see what can be found.  Keep in touch!

Last but not least, do you know when your grandfather was born in 1873?

Debs

[suej]

Hi Debs.
I do not have the exact date in1873 of my grandfathers birth.

The James Simpkins I have definitely died in 1899 at the age of 78 years.  (1d 427).
If your James was deceased by 1877, we must have two different James Simpkins.

Would it be possible that your James shown on the marriage certificate of Henry could have been a fib.  If James had dumped Rachael for Emma could it be possible that Henry would have no more to do with him?  Or am I getting carried away.


Sue J