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Offline Edward Scott

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Deciphering a PR
« on: Thursday 24 September 20 15:32 BST (UK) »
I would appreciate some help in reading the attached which is the PR for the wedding of John Woolaston and Rebecca Greene on 5th Jan 1614/15

John Worlaston of ye [] of Marie Wolworth
of London and Rebecca Greene of [] [] of John
[] London maid & were married the 5 day
of January

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Re: Deciphering a PR
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:00 BST (UK) »
The first two queries have the same answer:

'ye' is commonly used for 'the', where 'y' is a symbol representing 'th'

What looks like 'pish' is actually 'parish' - the 'p' with a loop that crosses the stem is the symbol for 'par', or in some cases 'per'.

The bride's parish looks as though it will be St John Zachary, one of the ancient City of London parishes. (I'm not sure I'd have got that as a 'Z', but I looked in a list of parishes for St John ---.)
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Deciphering a PR
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:03 BST (UK) »
Many thanks

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Re: Deciphering a PR
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:10 BST (UK) »
I think the first parish is probably St Marie Woolnoth
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Re: Deciphering a PR
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:37 BST (UK) »
I think the first parish is probably St Marie Woolnoth

I don't.  You were right the first time; therefore, for me, the prime candidate is St Mary Newington.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:44 BST (UK) »
So you are thinking that Wolworth = Walworth? Having read a bit more I agree as the Church of St Mary, Newington is in the Manor of Walworth.

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 24 September 20 16:45 BST (UK) »
So you are thinking that Wolworth = Walworth?

Correct.

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 24 September 20 17:01 BST (UK) »
It definitely says Wolworth, but I wonder if the writer might have been confused.

Walworth is/was in Surrey, and strictly speaking it would have been incorrect to give the location as London, though someone from distant parts might not have appreciated this. St Mary Woolnoth was in the City (and in 1670 was united with the parish of St Mary Woolchurch Haw). So is it an error in the location (London/Surrey) or the spelling (w/n)?

Incidentally, I've just spotted that in the last line you had "maid &" - it's actually just "maide".
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 24 September 20 17:12 BST (UK) »
I had forgotten that Newington would then have been in Surrey and one would hope that a CoL vicar would know the other parishes.

I'll see what else I can find on the groom.

thanks again

Edward
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Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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