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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 September 20 11:57 BST (UK) »
Have you got the children in 1851?
Is this George
HO107; Piece: 2189; Folio: 72; Page: 48; 12 Haigh Street Everton with 2 other households
Robert Woods   41 clerk b Middleton Warks
Georgiana V Eugenia Stclure   23 annuitant b Brompton Middx
George Davies   4 b Hulme visitor


Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou, NS: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 September 20 13:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks, all. I don't have any of the children or his wife in 1851, although I did consider the George Davies one you found, Josey, it seems very likely. The family were in and out of the workhouses for most of their lives so it's possible they had all been split up for some reason.



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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 September 20 13:48 BST (UK) »
Could this Elizabeth with Margaret in 1851?

HO155; Piece: 2221, Folio: 756, Page: 33, 1 Alderley Street, Saint George, Hulme, Manchester

Margaret Mitchell, Head, Unmar., 30, Smallware dealer, born Altrincham, Cheshire
Emma Mitchell, Daughter, Unmar., 10, scholar
Margaret Mitchell, Daughter, Unmar., 3
Henry Mitchell, Brother, Unmar., 25, Journeyman Brushmaker, born Altrincham, Cheshire
Mary Wilkinson, Sister, Mar., 35, born Altrincham, Cheshire
Elizabeth Wilkinson, Visitor, 5
James Wilkinson, Visitor, 10 months
Elizabeth Davies, Sister, Mar., 23, born Altrincham, Cheshire
Margaret Davies, Visitor, 3, born Manchester, Lancashire
Samuel Davies, Visitor, 4 months, born Prestwich, Lancashire



What was Elizabeth's maiden name? Was it Mitchell?


EDIT: Sorry, just noticed her maiden name was Parry.
Warwickshire - Thompson, Johnson, Sinar/Siner, Abbott, Hewitt, Smith, West,
Gloucestershire - Williams, Powell, Pigeon, Pullen
Wiltshire - Cullis, Matthews
Flintshire - Jones, Evans
Yorkshire - Bennett, Coleman, Rhodes


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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 September 20 13:50 BST (UK) »
I saw that but it implies Elizabeth's maiden name is Mitchell as she is sister to unmarried Mary Mitchell & Henry Mitchell.

Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou, NS: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 September 20 13:52 BST (UK) »
I saw that but it implies Elizabeth's maiden name is Mitchell as she is sister to unmarried Mary Mitchell & Henry Mitchell.

SAMUEL DAVIS, 1850 D QUARTER, BURY Lancashire, Mother's Maiden Surname: MITCHELL

Yes, looks like it's the wrong family  ::)
Warwickshire - Thompson, Johnson, Sinar/Siner, Abbott, Hewitt, Smith, West,
Gloucestershire - Williams, Powell, Pigeon, Pullen
Wiltshire - Cullis, Matthews
Flintshire - Jones, Evans
Yorkshire - Bennett, Coleman, Rhodes

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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 September 20 14:04 BST (UK) »
What about Elizabeth's parents? Could the children be with maternal grandparents?
Warwickshire - Thompson, Johnson, Sinar/Siner, Abbott, Hewitt, Smith, West,
Gloucestershire - Williams, Powell, Pigeon, Pullen
Wiltshire - Cullis, Matthews
Flintshire - Jones, Evans
Yorkshire - Bennett, Coleman, Rhodes

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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 26 September 20 16:19 BST (UK) »
There is a slight problem with Elizabeth's surname. The baptism of George gives her maiden name as Perrey.

The marriage has Parry, daughter of Samuel, a carpenter,

Her baptism has Elizabeth, daughter of Samuel, a ship joiner, and Margaret Perry, on 27th April 1823 in Garstang.

He may be Samuel Parrey, a shipwright, who married Margaret Platt, in Liverpool St Peter, on 17th January 1822.

Also Sarah Perry, daughter of Samuel, a carpenter of Manchester, and Margaret in Garstang on 21st July 1833.

George Perry, son of Samuel, a joiner of Manchester, and Margaret in Garstang on 1st Nov 1835

In 1841, they may be in Wigan:-
Plank Lane, Wigan, Lancashire
Samuel  Perrey 35  1806  Lancashire - Ships Carpenter
Margaret  Perrey 40  1801  Lancashire
Elizabeth  Perrey 15  1826  Lancashire
James  Perrey 12  1829  Lancashire
Sarah  Perrey 10  1831  Lancashire
George  Perrey 7  1834  Lancashire
Margaret  Perrey 4  1837  Lancashire
Ann  Perrey  Female 1841  Lancashire - On GRO as Perry mmn Platt

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Re: Is this my John in 1851?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 September 20 16:39 BST (UK) »
Yes, DCB, that's the right couple. Elizabeth's parents were Samuel Parry, a ship's carpenter, and Margaret Platt. They married 17 June 1822 in Liverpool. There seems to have been confusion over Elizabeth's birthplace - she was baptised in Garston, not Garstang, although the census does say Garstang. I can confirm that I have the right family, though, I have common DNA ancestors with both Samuel and Margaret's ancestors.

11 August 1822, Garston, St Michael
Elizabeth d. of Samuel Parry, Shipwright, and Margaret

In 1861, Samuel and Margaret are in Hulme but I haven't found them in any other censuses - thanks for finding them in 1841, DCB.  :)