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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 26 September 20 17:57 BST (UK) »
She would have been over 15 months old when she was handed over so possibly unlikely that they changed her first name. 
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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 26 September 20 17:58 BST (UK) »
I found one Theodora, born on the right day, on the 1939 register, but unfortunately it's not the right one.

There are no Breseman names on the 1939 so far as I can see - a tempting Pontypridd Bresman is in fact Bresnan, mistranscribed.

We don't have the 1921, and as foreign nationals the Bresemans wouldn't be on voters registers.

Carrying on ruling things out -

can't see a marriage for them in the UK (they say they've been married for 5 years in the 1911),

they wouldn't necessarily appear on immigration records, although there is a Wilhelm Breseman on the Belgium Antwerp Immigration index for 1901, showing birth 1880 (which matches) and birthplace of Altona, which is a suburb of Hamburg.
This Wilhelm is shown as Wilhelm Carl Heinrich Bresemann and - now I've deciphered it - 'husband of Alma Augusta Bergsteth' which seems to match the 1911.

Will post this and keep looking




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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 26 September 20 17:59 BST (UK) »
Found this on ancestry guess its a shot in the dark??? so dont shout

Name:   Alma Auguste Emilie Bargstedt
Gender:   weiblich (Female)
Age:   27
Birth Date:   22 Jun 1879
Marriage Date:   3 Nov 1906
Marriage Place:   Hamburg
Civil Registration Office:   Hamburg 01
Spouse:   Wilhelm Carl Heinrich Bresemann
Certificate Number:   1030
Reference Number:   332-5_3063
Maeer - Devon and Glamorgan
David - Cardiff Pontypridd
Astley -Merthyr Tydfil
Newland- Hampshire
Jones -Treherbert Rhondda
McCarthy - Cork & Cardiff
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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 26 September 20 18:00 BST (UK) »
Name:   Alma Emilie Auguste Bresemann
[Alma Emilie Auguste Bargstedt]
Age:   38
Birth Date:   22 Jun 1879
Death Date:   9 Okt 1917 (9 Oct 1917)
Death Place:   Hamburg, Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:   Hamburg 21a
Certificate Number:   1827
Reference Number:   332-5_6963
Maeer - Devon and Glamorgan
David - Cardiff Pontypridd
Astley -Merthyr Tydfil
Newland- Hampshire
Jones -Treherbert Rhondda
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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 September 20 18:02 BST (UK) »
me:   Wilhelm Carl Heinrich Bresemann
Age:   47
Birth Date:   25 Okt 1880 (25 Oct 1880)
Death Date:   30 Jul 1928
Death Place:   Hamburg, Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:   Hamburg 21b
Certificate Number:   985
Reference Number:   332-5_7090
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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 September 20 18:03 BST (UK) »
Just wondered if these are the folk we are looking for
if so Theodora would have been taken  to Hamburg to live

Just a thought??

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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 26 September 20 18:06 BST (UK) »
Well, it does look feasible, heddwch.

In which case, since her adoptive mother appears to have died when Theodora was only 7 I wonder whether Wilhelm married again?  Or perhaps he had family to help him in Hamburg?
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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 September 20 18:10 BST (UK) »
Wilhelm Carl Heinrich Bresemann
Gender:  (Male)
Age:   34
Birth Date:   25 Okt 1880 (25 Oct 1880)
Marriage Date:   28 Nov 1914
Place:   Hamburg, Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:   Hamburg 02a
Spouse:   Maria Charlotte Auguste Hackmack
Certificate Number:   919
Reference Number:   332-5_3248

Did Wilhelm divorce Alma?
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Re: Theodora Ward, given away as a baby
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 September 20 18:14 BST (UK) »
I am trying to decipher that last marriage I gave.

Since I don't speak German and am not good at reading German handwriting, this is prone to error.

However, it seems to say that wife Maria Charlotte Auguste was born BARGSTEDT and is now Hackmack.

Bargstedt was the surname of Alma?
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex