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Norfolk ... coal miners?!
« on: Monday 28 September 20 12:25 BST (UK) »
I was searching for the extended family tree of Cleer Sewell Alger a (locally) famous photographer.

By chance, I found a person I don't think is a close relative, but is most interesting.

One "John Alger", born around 1830, possibly in Fersfield.

What's surprising is that he's living, from 1851-1891 in Shildon, County Durham.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shildon

What's more, once I went from the transcription to the actual census, it became apparent that some of his neighbours came from the same area as him.

in 1851, picking out Norfolk places of birth;
HO107/ 2385/567 p 28
Fersfield,
Shelfanger,
Roydon,
Wortham (Suffolk),
Shelfanger,
Bressingham,
Fersfield,
Roydon,
Bressingham,

ditto, 1861 (far fewer);
RG 9/ 3708/ 61 p 28
Shelfanger,
Winfarthing,
Fersfield,

In the 1851 census, one couple, both with Norfolk places of birth have a daughter born in Shildon, 1828, so any migration must precede that date.

Hoping this is of interest. If anyone knows more about Norfolk coal miners, I'd love to hear about it.

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Re: Norfolk ... coal miners?!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 October 20 16:34 BST (UK) »
Hi BugBear,
It seems to have been fairly common for farm labourers to have made the move north for work during the C19th, and it was probably resonably easy for families from East Anglia to travel up the coast.
There are several posts on this topic which may interest you.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=481634.36

And then I found some of my own ancestors had moved North East from Norfolk,so I started a couple of posts:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=650066.msg4965333#msg4965333
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=649914.msg4963912#msg4963912

I hope the links work!
Jan
Cooper- Berks, Herts, Wrexham,Birmingham
Garrett- London, Berks
Morton-Berkshire
Harvey- Essex
Hambling, Royal,Dale,Jackson, Tann, Boatwright Edridge/Etheridge/Uttridge -all Norfolk
Osborne-Norfolk and Northumberland/Durham

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Re: Norfolk ... coal miners?!
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 October 20 16:46 BST (UK) »
Yes I agree with Jan -- Norfolk and Suffolk were mainly rural areas and if there was a bad harvest - people employed in agriculture would be starving and claiming poor relief.

As far as I know, arrangements were made between Poor Law Guardians in the industrail North and those in Norfolk and Suffolk (and probably other rural areas) -- to move fit and healthy families to places such as Lancashire and Yorkshire (and other areas) - to work in the mills.

Many were despatched North by canal boats -- also in the instructions they were given, they were advised to bring warm clothing!!
West Yorks; ---- Illingworth, Marshall, Muffit/Muffett/Murfitt, Barber, Sanderson, Townend, Barraclough, Lister -- and lots more. Locations mainly in Birstall parish - Hartshead-- Drighlington --Adwalton --Mirfield - Heckmondwike --Kippax - Sherburn in Elmet.

Ireland ------Cleary, Whelan - Nenagh.
Dowling - Monasterevin
Daly - Westmeath

Lancashire ---- Smith from Alston , Johnson and Fairclough---- Tarleton and loads more from Tarleton and Accrington areas.


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Re: Norfolk ... coal miners?!
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 20:20 BST (UK) »
At least two Ayres relatives of mine from Lode near Cambridge, ag labs moved North as a result of the agricultural depression, one became a steel worker in Rotherham, descendants still there, and another moved to Middlesbrough, not tracked further.
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 21:11 BST (UK) »
It looks to me as if some kind of recruitment went on; the places named in the census in my Alger post are not only from Norfolk, they're from a *tiny area* of Norfolk. The distance from Kenninghall to Wortham is just under 7 miles

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Re: Norfolk ... coal miners?!
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 November 20 11:52 GMT (UK) »
All but Wortham were in the Guiltcross Union area. Maybe the Union had links to the mines. Could some of the mines have belonged to someone who also has land in the Union area.?

The Union was dissolved in 1902 and the villages moved to other Unions.