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Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« on: Thursday 01 October 20 14:45 BST (UK) »
Hello,

This is another post about this gentleman.

He arrived in Melbourne aboard the Startled Fawn in November 1856.   Can anyone confirm or otherwise if he left to return to the UK?   I have searched the Passenger Listings without success...........about par for my course :'(

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Re: Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 October 20 15:36 BST (UK) »
H was quite young to travel abroad, unless anyone else knows better
 I am trying to work backwards on this but I have on 1851 the following

John Ingram 60 clock and watch maker born Scotland
Mary Ann 50 Monmouth
Edward 13 (?)
Alexander 9
Wallace 5

All siblings born Cardiff

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Re: Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 October 20 16:04 BST (UK) »
His travel may not have been voluntary. He and his brother Edward were in trouble with the law more than once.

4 years penal servitude in 1854

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3090715/3090718/28/


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 October 20 16:05 BST (UK) »
There is a family tree on Ancestry

Edward and Alexander Ingram seem to have both been naughty boys , 1853 both sent to the house  of correction  for 1 month

1854 both sentenced to 4 years ( details shown)

I think you ought to look for departures nearer to 1866

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London


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Re: Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 October 20 16:46 BST (UK) »
Possible

1861 RG9/4440 FOLIO 81 PAGE 4
Cape Finisterre Coast Spain
on-board Megaera
ABLE SEAMAN alexander INGRAM on-board RN Vessel, aged 23 born Cardiff

1862 Military deserter

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Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London

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Re: Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 October 20 17:36 BST (UK) »


The "deserter aspect" begs the question of his leaving Australia.    He was originally sent there with the help of the Philanthropic Society but to my knowledge they had no control over his movements once there........so he could have returned to the UK before 1862 and joined the military.

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Re: Victoria: Alexander INGRAM, born 1841, Cardiff, South Wales
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 October 20 18:02 BST (UK) »
He must have returned, he is on 1861

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Granath Sweden and London
Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes kent and London