George Gibbs b.Hungerford lived in Marlborough

[southukgibbs]

Hello everyone,
I have been researching the Gibbs line for a number of years, however I have been stuck for a while.

My 4x Great grandfather was George Gibbs b. Hungerford in 1809.

I have found his details on the  1841,1851,1861,1871,1881 census'. He lived with his family at 42 High street Marlborough(I have visited the property as it is still there). He is listed on the census' and his children’s wedding certificates as being a Tailor.

Unfortunately I have been unable to find any birth record for George, or any means of finding out what his parents names are which is stopping me from furthering my research.

I have contacted the various Tailor guilds but they were unable to find any record of him.

I have found a George Gibbs born in Lambourne which is very close to Hungerford, however this George was born in 1816. A friend who is a researcher suggested maybe it could be this George and he lied about his age (6 years different) otherwise Mary wouldn't have been interested in him and married him. It seems probable, however there is no concrete evidence and its just a speculation that doesn't sit 100% with me.

I was wondering if anyone has any ideas?

I appreciate other peoples brick walls are not always very interesting, however I'd appreciate any ideas!

Thanks

[mazi]

Hi, and welcome to rootschat.

A quick thought is that the marriage in hungerford was Dec. 1832, I would think that a 17 year old would find it difficult to appear as a 23 year old.

I cannot find a likely baptism but places of birth on the census are not always reliable, people put the place they remember as a child, which may not be where they are born.

Others more expert than me may be able to help.


Mike

[mazi]

The Georgie Gibbs born in wroughton near Swindon is still there in 1841, so not yours, the Avebury one is in Avebury in 1851 so also not yours, I searched for births 1808-1812 in England, these two were geographically the nearest.

Mike

[wivenhoe]

Who is Elizabeth SMITH....identified as cousin.....and having continued contact with Marlborough and the GIBBS family?

Census 1841  @ Southgate St Bath Somerset
SWEENEY Betty        80y     independent    y(es born in county)
SWEENEY Elizabeth   45y    independent     y(es born in county)
SWEENEY Ann           40y   independent     y(es born in county)
FRANCIS Elizabeth     55y   shopkeeper      n(ot born in county)
SMITH Elizabeth        30y   assistant           n(ot born in county)

Census 1851 @ 48 Southgate Street Bath Somerset
SWEENEY Elizabeth   59y  head   house proprietor           b. Bath Somerset
SWEENEY Ann          557 sister house proprietor             b. Bath Somerset
SMITH Elizabeth       40y  head   grocer                          b. Barnes Surrey
GIBBS Catherine       15y  general servant                      b. Marlborough Wiltshire

Census 1861 @ High St Marlborough Wiltshire
GIBBS George      51y   tailor emp. one app.         b. Hungerford Berkshire
GIBBS Mary         50y          laundress                  b. Ireland
GIBBS Elizabeth   21y  dau.  laundress                  b. Marlborough Wiltshire
GIBBS Emma M    17y dau.  laundress                  b. Marlborough Wiltshire
GIBBS John          16y son   tailor app.                  b. Marlborough Wiltshire
GIBBS Charles      11y son   scholar                      b. Marlborough Wiltshire
GIBBS Edwin          9y son   scholar                      b. Marlborough Wiltshire 
SMITH Elizabeth    48y  cousin unmarried              b. Barnes Surrey
                           grocer out of business

Census 1871 @ high St Wellington Place Marlborough Wiltshire
MATEN Lydia      58y head widow  beerseller and grocer     b. Cookhaven Berkshire
ALLEN Eliza        17y niece                                               b. Cookhaven Berkshire
EYLES Thomas    79y head                                               b. Aldbourne Wiltshire
EYLES Ann          79y wife                                                b. West Tofts Norfolk
SMITH Elizabeth  62y lodger  formerly dom. ser.                b. Richmond Surrey

[southukgibbs]

Who is Elizabeth SMITH....identified as cousin.....and having continued contact with Marlborough and the GIBBS family?

Interesting.! I don't think I had picked up on this. That gives me something to work with if she is Georges' cousin....

Thank you...good spot.!

Hmm I wonder who she was

It's interesting as if his cousin was born in Barnes surrey..that means that Georges uncle/aunty (i think its aunty in this case) could have been born there, so maybe his parents were from there. hmm. Lots to look at, bed time now ..

[Dundee]

Who witnessed the marriage between George and Mary?

Debra 

[Annette7]

There is also a William Gibbs bc.1807 Hungerford who is also a tailor and there is no baptism for him either.  (He is not the William bp.1807, son of John and Ann, who died 1808). He married a Mary Smith 22/10/1832 Hungerford.

I would suggest that perhaps, in view of their occupations, ages, and given place of birth, that William and George could be brothers.

However, even if that were so, neither of their baptisms is available online so it is possible they were both baptised in a non-conformist church whose records are not online.

Annette

 

[youngtug]

Who witnessed the marriage between George and Mary?

Debra 

Witnesses to the marriage between George Gibbs & Mary Harris. 13-Dec-1832 are;-
 William Batt, Ann Smith & Susan Harris.

[southukgibbs]

Census 1851 @ 48 Southgate Street Bath Somerset
SWEENEY Elizabeth   59y  head   house proprietor           b. Bath Somerset
SWEENEY Ann          557 sister house proprietor             b. Bath Somerset
SMITH Elizabeth       40y  head   grocer                          b. Barnes Surrey
GIBBS Catherine       15y  general servant                      b. Marlborough Wiltshire

Cathrine Gibbs was one of George's daughters, interesting.

As cathrine was living with Elizabeth in Bath (she moved back to Marlborough later) it seems probable that Elizabeth was a cousin on the Gibbs side. As she didn't marry that meant her Mother was a Gibbs and her father a Smith. So Georges father had a sister.


Finding Elizabeth's parents could proove usful to find out where her mother was born (Georges auntie) This mornings job..