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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 22:26 BST (UK) »
I KNOW Johanna was back in the UK in Manchester (as Annie) in 1901 as I’ve found her and the children on the census in Manchester (without Joseph).

and with no other children born in the US or anywhere else.
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and this:
Newark City Directory

1893, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901
no Scaife or Scafe 

1895
Joseph Scaife, laborer, home at 54 Downing

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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 06:36 BST (UK) »
Florence birth registration Florence Shief father Joseph, mother Annie born 23 July 1893.
Baptized at St James 26th July.

I didn't find Jane but her baptism record shows born 3 August 1894 baptized 12th August 1894

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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 08:30 BST (UK) »
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I have 2 ancestors who were both born in New Jersey at “Saint James-Catholic, Newark, Essex, New Jersey”
That would seem to be baptisms rather than birth records-
Florence- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCKH-4P1
Jane- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ37-KJ5

N.J. 1895 State Census- https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2659407

Hiya

Thanks aghadowey, but the birthdate I've given for Florence is correct - if you look at the link you've given, it states BIRTHDATE 23rd July 1893, CHRISTENING, 26th July 1893

Jane's is different to what I had (which I took from a divorce record of Joseph's - I suppose he could have given her DOB incorrectly, lol)...

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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 08:39 BST (UK) »
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and this:
Newark City Directory

1893, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1900, 1901
no Scaife or Scafe 

1895
Joseph Scaife, laborer, home at 54 Downing
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Hiya

Thanks for that!  Is it possible you could tell me where you got this from?
Was 54 Downing in a particular part of the city?
I wonder if there's an old map showing where?

Jayne xx
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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 10:12 BST (UK) »
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Thanks aghadowey, but the birthdate I've given for Florence is correct - if you look at the link you've given, it states BIRTHDATE 23rd July 1893, CHRISTENING, 26th July 1893

My point is that the details from your initial post for the 2 girls are BAPTISMAL RECORDS not birth registrations (the first clue being that a birth certificate will not show religious information such as date and place of baptism).
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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 10:18 BST (UK) »
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Was 54 Downing in a particular part of the city?
I wonder if there's an old map showing where?

Current Google Map shows the location of 54 Downing St. in Newark- streetview will show you what it looks like now.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@40.7304684,-74.1597105,17z
https://njpropertyrecords.com/property/0714_2000_35
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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 07 October 20 15:43 BST (UK) »
Hiya

Thanks for that!  Is it possible you could tell me where you got this from?
Was 54 Downing in a particular part of the city?
I wonder if there's an old map showing where?

Jayne xx
The Newark City Directories are at ancestry.com.

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Google "old maps of Newark" to find:
old maps of Newark, including 1890 and 1904
https://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/NEWARK/oldNewark.html

54 Downing was in Ward 5 in 1890 and 1904, look for the big 5 on the map in a green shaded area (Ward 5). It runs between Jackson and Jefferson, one block east (our right) of Ferry St. Jefferson isn't marked on the 1904 map.

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start at https://stevemorse.org/ and pick unified census from the list, then set 1900 at the top of the page, fill in the address and cross streets to get the ED that included 54 Downing.

Ward 5 of Newark in the 1900 Census is here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZF9-HLT?wc=9B7K-7MX%3A1030550301%2C1031589101%2C1033991701&cc=1325221

I didn't find 54 Downing, but 56 was a 3 family home, all renting. 2 Irish families and an English woman, 34, widowed. The area looks working class, many Irish but not all Irish.

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Google "St James Catholic Church, Newark" to get:
St James Catholic Church is still at 142 Jefferson, a 7 minute walk from 54 Downing.
https://www.rcan.org/st-james-parish-newark