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Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« on: Tuesday 06 October 20 15:18 BST (UK) »
Hi all

I have 2 ancestors who were both born in New Jersey at “Saint James-Catholic, Newark, Essex, New Jersey”
•   Florence Scaife ~ 23rd July 1893
•   Jane Scaife ~ 22nd June 1894
(Mother : Johanna Scaife b1873 in Ireland (formerly Hennessy) She’s sometimes known as ‘Annie’)
(Father : Joseph Scaife b1870 in Manchester)

Their parents were married in Tipperary on July 17th, 1890, and then had son John in June 1891 in Ireland, so they must have gone to USA between June 1891 and July 1893.

I can’t find anything on shipping records that I look at in FindMyPast and Ancestry (I currently have accounts for both)

I KNOW Johanna was back in the UK in Manchester (as Annie) in 1901 as I’ve found her and the children on the census in Manchester (without Joseph).

Can anyone help me find when they went out and when they came back?
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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 15:28 BST (UK) »
I'll be interested in replies. I have an Irish-born couple who had 2 sons born U.S. late 1860's. They were in Lancashire from 1871. 
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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 15:42 BST (UK) »
I'll be interested in replies. I have an Irish-born couple who had 2 sons born U.S. late 1860's. They were in Lancashire from 1871.

UK & Ireland return passenger lists cover 1878 - 1961, so not early enough sadly for your Irish couple  :-\

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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 16:23 BST (UK) »
Not many with that surname - Joseph Scaife born 1870 and aged 21 years
Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland to New York on City of Berlin.23 January 1891

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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 17:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra

Many thanks for that. Was he on his own, or did he have his wife and child (John, aged 1) with him?
Or was it the practice to only note the main person in the party?

Can you see them returning to the UK? They would have had 2 young daughters with them, but I can’t see them anywhere...

I’d love to know why they went out there, where they lived and what his job was - he was a merchant seaman and I have many of his ship records, but they’re all after 1902, nothing this early...

Thanks again

Jayne x
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 17:10 BST (UK) »
Sorry Jane, that was the only entry for a Joseph Scaife on his own.
If he was a merchant seaman, perhaps he got social travel dispensation for his family. Never heard of that before but maybe possible.

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 17:21 BST (UK) »
Nothing that I could see for the girls or Johanna returning but not all passenger lists were saved.

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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 17:58 BST (UK) »
I had a little look in the American newspapers online to see if I could see anything by those names but nothing turned up unfortunately.
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Re: Ancestors born in USA, how do I find out when they came back to UK?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 October 20 20:38 BST (UK) »
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I have 2 ancestors who were both born in New Jersey at “Saint James-Catholic, Newark, Essex, New Jersey”
That would seem to be baptisms rather than birth records-
Florence- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCKH-4P1
Jane- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ37-KJ5

N.J. 1895 State Census- https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2659407
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