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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 08 October 20 17:32 BST (UK) »
The two places are close and could be two different records of the same event.
Thank you.

In William's will he mentions daughter Nancy Barkley. She was born about 1788 in Perry County, PA.

Miss Nancy Barkley, age 65, born in Perry County,  PA
died 11 November 1853, in Saville Twp, Perry County, PA
parents: William Barkley and Martha Barkley
unmarried, no living issue
buried: Stone Church [Burial Ground?]

source: Ancestry.com. Pennsylvania, U.S., Deaths, 1852-1854

and the next child after Margaret, William, was born 1794 in Pennsylvania. So it doesn't look like the family was in Scotland for the birth of their second child [Margaret]

edited: at this point we don't know when Margaret Barclay, wife of Jonathan English, was born.

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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 08 October 20 17:52 BST (UK) »
Is this her in 1850 but husband is Samuel (Williamís Will refers to son in law, Samuel)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4CC-QXV
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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 08 October 20 18:26 BST (UK) »
Is this her in 1850 but husband is Samuel (Williamís Will refers to son in law, Samuel)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4CC-QXV
I didn't find a Jonathan English to match, so it could be.
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There is this transcribed record, no image.
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
at ancestry.com
Source type: Family group sheet, FGSE

Name: Samuel English
Gender: Male
Birth Place: PA
Birth Year: 1796
Spouse Name: Margaret Barkley
Spouse Birth Place: PA
Spouse Birth Year: 1823
Marriage State: of PA

If the "Spouse Birth Year" is actually the marriage year, it would fit with that 1850 census. And with:

1840, Saville Twp for Samuel English
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHY2-FXX

and it fits with this one for a Samuel English also, but Juniata Twp is 60 to 70 miles west of Saville Twp. I'll post it anyway.
1830 Juniata Twp, Perry County
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH59-5S9

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At any rate, daughter Margaret was very likely born in PA, not Scotland.


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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 08 October 20 19:04 BST (UK) »
I think this is talking about the Battle of Chippewa, July 5, 1814. You'd have to read the context to be sure, I just skimmed it.

Those from within the confines of what is now Perry County who served there, are as follows:
Captain David Moreland's Company.
Privates:
Barkley, William, Saville

Source: History of Perry County, Pennsylvania, including descriptions of Indians and pioneer life from the time of earliest settlement by Hain, Harry Harrison, (Harrisburg, PA: Hain-Moore Company, 1922), page 178

https://archive.org/details/historyofperryco00hain/mode/2up

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This book says that this William Barkley died in 1859, so he must be Martha Smith's son, now her husband.
History of Perry County from the earliest settlement to the present time, (Lancaster,Pa: Wylie & Griest, 1873)
http://archive.org/details/cu31924028854516

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Perry County was formed from Cumberland County Aug 31, 1820, so earlier records, probably including the 1820 census, would be in Cumberland county. The census was [supposed to be] as of August 7.


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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #13 on: Friday 09 October 20 01:05 BST (UK) »
most of the information that i had came from a site called familysearch in Australia

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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #14 on: Friday 09 October 20 05:36 BST (UK) »
1790 Census "Eastern part of Cumberland County" PA

William Barkley
1 male over 16
2 males under 16
3 females

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHKJ-GQ1

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1800 Census, Tyrone, Cumberland County, PA

Wm Barckley
2 males under 10
1 male 26 to 45
1 female under 10
1 female 10 to 16
1 female 26 to 45

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHRD-PWC

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1810 Census, Tyrone, Cumberland County, PA
[indexed as Barelay at familysearch.org]

William Barclay

2 males 0 to 9
1 male 10 to 15
1 male 16 to 25
1 male over 45
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1 female 0 to 9
1 female 10 to 15
1 female 16 to 25
1 female 26 to 44

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH2K-YY6

1 male 0 to 9 not on later records. did he die before 1820?
they moved between 1810 and 1820

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1820 Census, Saville Township, Perry County

William Barkley, Sr
1 male 10 to 16
0 males 16 to 18
2 males 16 to 26
1 male above 45
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0
1 female 10 to 16
1 female 16 to 26
1 female 26 to 45
1 female above 45

2 persons engaged in agriculture

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHGX-ZSQ

[note Saville Twp. was enumerated in the new county, Perry County, in 1820]

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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #15 on: Friday 09 October 20 08:03 BST (UK) »
Kandi,
It looks as though that christening is not your Margaret.

Do you have marriage details for William and Martha? Was Martha (she is the one you are searching) definitely Martha Smith?
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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #16 on: Friday 09 October 20 08:42 BST (UK) »
Kandi,
It looks as though that christening is not your Margaret.

Do you have marriage details for William and Martha? Was Martha (she is the one you are searching) definitely Martha Smith?

Yes it is Martha Smith I am searching as she came up with as she came up when i was searching Archibald Campbell 10th earl of Argyll & James Stuart 2nd Earl of Bute i have their history as its all in the campbell clan site. but Only the information I provided earlier is all i Had a Martha Smith

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Re: searching for information on 5th great grandmother Martha smith
« Reply #17 on: Friday 09 October 20 09:05 BST (UK) »
It's possible Jonathan English died and Margaret married his brother Samuel.