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Offline robert g shaw

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 October 20 11:55 BST (UK) »
The missing weddings are..
Thomas to isabella c1735
Alexander to Jane c1710
Alexander to Ellin c1658
John to Ann c 1636



Familysearch have the Bishops transcripts,  Looks like they are missing the dates you are looking for.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/551007?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials (text in Latin), 1611, 1616, 1620, 1623, 1627, 1630-1633,  1636-1639, 1641;

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials (text in English), 1662-1665, 1668-1686; 1691-1698.

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials, 1785-1805;

well i found a baptism, so thanks for that!
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 October 20 12:06 BST (UK) »
It's possible that the 'missing' years are missing, but they may simply be unreadable.

A trip to Lancs Archives at Preston may be your last throw of the dice, Covid permitting.

Eric
Jones:Middleton, Howarth:Manchester, Dean:Ardwick/Manchester, Harvey:Nth Manchester & Elland/West Yorks,  Tattersall:Manchester/Salford/Burnley,   
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Davies/Williams :Ruabon/Wrexham

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 October 20 13:41 BST (UK) »
It's possible that the 'missing' years are missing, but they may simply be unreadable.

A trip to Lancs Archives at Preston may be your last throw of the dice, Covid permitting.

Eric

oh ill not be doing that, lol, too far, too fiddly, ive been and got photos of wills that have proven invaluable as they mentioned people not on record.

its ok, seeing the record would only give me the date and brides surname, id like those, but...hey ho..
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton


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Re: Missing records
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 01:00 BST (UK) »
However - as far as I know all marriages, even for those with Non-Conformist and RC beliefs, had to take place in a C of E Church - EXCEPT for Quakers and Jews, who were allowed to hold their own ceremonies.

The missing marriages were all prior to Hardwicke's Marriage Act which came into force 25th March 1754.
There is no marriage record for one set of my Catholic 5x great-grandparents. They would have married 1752 or 1753, pre-Hardwicke, perhaps in an illegal Catholic ceremony. 1767 Return of Papists gives information that 5xGGM was not born in the parish and how many years she'd lived in the parish. First known child of the marriage was born 1753. My other 5x great-grandparents in that parish married 1757, post-Hardwicke  and therefore had to comply with the new marriage regulations. They went to the Anglican church for their legal marriage. They had already gone through a Catholic wedding ceremony. Their wedding was one of the earliest in the marriage register of the Catholic mission. A new priest arrived in 1754 and started keeping registers. R.C. registers in England before this time are rare. Being a Catholic priest was illegal and a register was evidence of illegal acts. Many priests moved around their mission area, often on horseback, had to travel light and might have had to quit their lodging in a hurry or go into hiding to avoid discovery.   

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 01:18 BST (UK) »
It's possible that the 'missing' years are missing, but they may simply be unreadable.

This from the page for St. Wilfrid, Standish on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks:
"Many of the records were in poor shape and Bishop's Transcripts and other sources were assessed to determine the original entry."
"1701, 1708-March 1711, October 1711-March 1712, 1713-1739. Not all these records were legible or could be used reliably."

Added. Standish Parish Resources www.lan-opc.org.uk/Standish/index.html
Years of existing parish records of St. Wilfrid.
List of adjacent parishes and townships, foundation year of churches and starting years for registers.
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Re: Missing records
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 07:47 BST (UK) »
It's possible that the 'missing' years are missing, but they may simply be unreadable.

This from the page for St. Wilfrid, Standish on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks:
"Many of the records were in poor shape and Bishop's Transcripts and other sources were assessed to determine the original entry."
"1701, 1708-March 1711, October 1711-March 1712, 1713-1739. Not all these records were legible or could be used reliably."

Added. Standish Parish Resources www.lan-opc.org.uk/Standish/index.html
Years of existing parish records of St. Wilfrid.
List of adjacent parishes and townships, foundation year of churches and starting years for registers.

ahhh... that would account for two on my missing marriages.. thanks.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 19:04 BST (UK) »
Parish or place home-pages on Lancashire Online Parish Clerks website are often informative.
Another site I refer to in GENUKI. Normally includes foundation year and whereabouts of surviving registers for each church.  Pages for Standish https://www.gen.uki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Standish
There was a Catholic mission, founded 1728. St. Marie of the Assumption. Registers date from 1742 with substantial gaps.
Marriage register of St. Marie from early 19th century has been transcribed and is on LANOPC. 
Added. Link to GENUKI doesn't work. Search for Standish Lancashire GENUKI.
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Re: Missing records
« Reply #16 on: Friday 16 October 20 16:09 BST (UK) »
The missing weddings are..
Thomas to isabella c1735
Alexander to Jane c1710
Alexander to Ellin c1658
John to Ann c 1636



Familysearch have the Bishops transcripts,  Looks like they are missing the dates you are looking for.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/551007?availability=Family%20History%20Library

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials (text in Latin), 1611, 1616, 1620, 1623, 1627, 1630-1633,  1636-1639, 1641;

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials (text in English), 1662-1665, 1668-1686; 1691-1698.

Standish baptisms, marriages and burials, 1785-1805;

Those transcrips are very interesting, thanks, but how do i fiond neighbouring parishes transcripts?, i cannot find them, its a rather confusing site..

Rob.
Derbys - Hill, Atkins, Kirkland, Hutchinson, Hallam, Rose, Houseley, Astle.
Lancashire - Shaw, Greenwood, Fowler, Yates
Gloucester - Nethercott, Flight,
Suffolk - Easey, Stannard, Meadows, Mann, Turner, Juby
Warwicks - Atkins, Sumner, Mower, Howe.
Staffs - Finney, Kent, Corden, Chatterton

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Re: Missing records
« Reply #17 on: Friday 16 October 20 20:24 BST (UK) »
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