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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 12 October 20 09:43 BST (UK) »
The 1869 marriage looks likely to have been Catholic. The other couple on the page, Patrick Brosnihan and Ellen Nunan, feature in an online tree which says that they married on 10 January 1869 at St Francis of Assisi Catholic Church, Pottery Lane, Notting Hill.

Same page ref back in 1869, so the marriage is in the Registrar's book, either it took place at the Register Office or the registrar was in attendance.
Bur not necessarily catholic...

It seems that the Notting Hill marriage of Brosnihan and Nunan is available online (England Roman Catholic Parish Marriages) But no Renders marriage is indexed there :(

Oh I see. I had imagined that the shared page numbers would indicate successive entries in the Roman Catholic register of that particular church - but I see that you are right, and that in fact the Brosnihan/Nunan marriage was the only marriage in that church in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1869. (The previous one was 28 November 1868 and the next was 11 April 1869).

So I wonder whether in fact the Renders/Phillips marriage was a register office marriage which took place shortly before or after the Brosnihan/Nunan church marriage.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 October 20 09:46 BST (UK) »
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    It seems that the Notting Hill marriage of Brosnihan and Nunan is available online (England Roman Catholic Parish Marriages) But no Renders marriage is indexed there             

Thatís typical isnít it?

I wonder if he went back home and left her as there is no trace after the marriage.


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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 October 20 10:04 BST (UK) »
Just for information:-

This looks like Henry's birth

FROGGATT, HENRY       CHILLICHAMP 
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 432

There is a Henry Froggatt in the 1939 register with a birth date that fits the above birth reg.  He is stated as being married.

If I have the right Henry he died in 1940

Deaths Dec 1940   
Froggatt    Henry    79    Hereford    6a   1370
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 12 October 20 10:24 BST (UK) »
Is this of any interest to you?, you have this census but what about Arthur Handley?

1871 RG105574 FOLIO 29 PAGE 12

Renders, Handley and Phillips all living with or next door to each other

There is also a marriage 1872 Sarah Renders to Alfred Handley

Don't want to confuse you but just a thought

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 12 October 20 10:33 BST (UK) »
Perhaps Alfred Handley was the natural father of Mabel Renders b1871 (though Mabel died in 1873 as Renders rather than Handley, even after the 1872 marriage, and might perhaps have been likely to take on the Handley name if heíd been her father).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 12 October 20 10:38 BST (UK) »
At least 4 children born
Handley MMN Phillips all born Builth

1873 John Alfred Theophilus  died 1900
1874Hariet Sarah
1875 Theophilus Cecil  marr 1903
1877 Hugh Percy died 1877

I have no wish to confuse you but is it just a coincidence

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 12 October 20 11:09 BST (UK) »
1891 RG12/4567 F 108 P8

Alfred Handley  42 occ miller
Sarah 46
John 18
BEATRICE M S RENDERS 27 STEP DAUGHTER
Theophilius (different spelling ) 15
Phillip 12

If I am on the wrong track I am sorry  but it is just a coincidence

Louisa Maud
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #16 on: Monday 12 October 20 11:11 BST (UK) »
I donít think youíre on the wrong track, Louisa Maud - groom mentioned the Handley marriage and subsequent census entries in the opening post :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #17 on: Monday 12 October 20 11:16 BST (UK) »
OOPS, optician here I come

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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes