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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #18 on: Monday 12 October 20 11:52 BST (UK) »
OOPS, optician here I come

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Yes, thanks for looking, but we do have all that. The Handleys are the actual family we are following, but to add interest to the story we are building up as much information as possible about the sidelines.
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #19 on: Monday 12 October 20 11:59 BST (UK) »
Just for information:-

This looks like Henry's birth

FROGGATT, HENRY       CHILLICHAMP 
GRO Reference: 1861  D Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 432

There is a Henry Froggatt in the 1939 register with a birth date that fits the above birth reg.  He is stated as being married.

If I have the right Henry he died in 1940

Deaths Dec 1940   
Froggatt    Henry    79    Hereford    6a   1370

That looks like him, but unless he remarried, he was in fact a widower, as Beatrice died in 1933.
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #20 on: Monday 12 October 20 12:35 BST (UK) »
There is a marriage of a Henry Froggatt to an Edna Brown in 1936, Nottinghamshire. There is a blacked out line under his name.  No idea who that would relate to.
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #21 on: Monday 12 October 20 13:47 BST (UK) »
This is driving me mad, so I've ordered Beatrice Mary Selena Renders' birth certificate, due the 16th.  That should prove if her father is the elusive Alfred Horace Maximilian Renders. Will keep you updated.
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #22 on: Monday 12 October 20 13:53 BST (UK) »
Will look forward to the info

Did you find a baptism?

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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #23 on: Monday 12 October 20 14:48 BST (UK) »
Unfortunately not.
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 20:29 BST (UK) »
Well, I'm certainly impressed with the GRO pdf  service - ordered yesterday and arrived 25 hours later!
Beatrice Mary Selena Renders was born 10th July 1869 at Mill House, Llandridnod. Mother Sarah Renders formerly Phillips father ALFRED HECTOR RENDERS - he was a teacher of language.             
                                                                                                                                                 

So the mystery deepens, where was he in 1871, he wasn't with Sarah. Also how was she able to marry Alfred Handley in 1872, just 3 years after her marriage to Alfred Renders?
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 22:07 BST (UK) »
I think the Renders surname was miss transcribed on , from memory, 1891 to Penders, perhaps just put his Christian names in on 1871 and see what comes up for Alfred

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Garner New Zealand
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Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
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Re: Beatrice Mary Selena Renders mystery.
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 13 October 20 23:55 BST (UK) »

Jean Baptiste Renders was born on May 3 1858, in Overijse, Brabant Wallon, Belgium, to Pierre Joseph Renders and Anna Maria Renders (born Kumps).

Renders seems to be from Belgium.