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John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« on: Monday 12 October 20 20:04 BST (UK) »
 Can anyone help please? Searching for marriage of my 2X great grandparents

Jane (born in Glyn Ceiriog abt. 1845)   married to John Williams (born Froncysyllte abt. 1841)

In 1881 they lived in Underhill Terrace Froncysyllte, Their eldest son Edward was aged 17.

I would be grateful for any information on them.
Perinton (somerset & Swansea)  Dakin (Sileby Leics & Devon) Thomas, Lewis, Scully, Morgan (Llangyfelach) Jenkins (Caeo) Davies, Williams, Roberts, James, Gabriel, Rowland (Froncysyllte).

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 October 20 20:22 BST (UK) »
I struggled to find that 1881 census entry - for those looking, the reference is RG11/5540/111/13 (Wales).

It looks as though this is the birth registration of the youngest child in that census:

Thomas William Williams, motherís maiden name Davies, Sep qtr 1880 Corwen 11b 388.

Have you found any of them in 1871?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 October 20 20:26 BST (UK) »
Iíve now found them in 1871 with sons Edward 7, Richard 4 and John A, 7mo: RG10/5682/109/6.

There are Davies households on either side of the Williamsí address. Perhaps the neighbours Richard and Sarah Davies are Janeís parents?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 October 20 20:27 BST (UK) »
Agreed on Davies - have found them in 1891, with youngest son Austen aged 6. He also has mmn Davies

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 October 20 20:33 BST (UK) »
Probably worth noting that in 1871 & 91, John and Jane give place of birth as Llangollen

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 October 20 20:40 BST (UK) »
Richard and Sarah Davies did have a daughter Jane who in 1851 (in Chirk) was 6 b Llangollen.

HO107/1993/803/6 (Wales)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 October 20 20:47 BST (UK) »
Chirkís registration district was Oswestry, so this marriage may be relevant:

Marriages Dec qtr 1863

Davies    Jane       <<<<<
Howell    Edward
Pearce    Sarah   
Williams    John   <<<<<

Oswestry    6a   1376
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 October 20 21:32 BST (UK) »
Would this fit:

Baptism, Glynceiriog, July 21st 1844, born June 19th. Daughter of Richard(blacksmith) and Sarah of Llwynmawr - between Glyn and Pontfadog.

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Re: John and Jane Williams Froncysyllte
« Reply #8 on: Monday 12 October 20 21:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much all of you for your replies . I can now fill in the one missing surname from my page of 2X great grandparents!!!!

Richard who was 4 in 1871 was the organist at Carmel Baptist chapel Fron.  I have a chair (with a plaque attached), gifted to him in 1914 as a thank you from the chapel for his help as organist for several years.

My great grandfather is James Williams, born 1884. A cousin found him on the 1891 census.
Perinton (somerset & Swansea)  Dakin (Sileby Leics & Devon) Thomas, Lewis, Scully, Morgan (Llangyfelach) Jenkins (Caeo) Davies, Williams, Roberts, James, Gabriel, Rowland (Froncysyllte).