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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #45 on: Thursday 29 October 20 18:34 GMT (UK) »
Just found this on the Cambridgeshire Baptisms page on FindMyPast:

First name(s)   JOSEPH
Last name   SABERTON
Birth year   -
Marriage year   1814
Marriage day   1
Marriage month   Feb
Spouse's first name(s)   ELIZABETH AVELING
Spouse's last name   SKEELS
Place   MARCH
Groom's first name(s)   Joseph
Groom's last name   SABERTON
Groom's marital status   bac
Groom's residence   of Chatteris
Bride's first name(s)   Elizabeth Aveling
Bride's last name   SKEELS
Bride's marital status   sp
Bride's residence   otp
By licence or banns   by lic
County   Cambridgeshire
Country   England
Notes   with consent of her father Thomas SKEELS

So maybe he was married before his first children were born. In that case, who is Henrietta Skeels? And who exactly did she marry?
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #46 on: Thursday 29 October 20 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked for a death/burial of Elizabeth between her 1814 wedding and the Gretna wedding? The Gretna bride might have been a relative of Elizabeth. Did Thomas Skeels have a daughter Henrietta? Did Joseph's brother marry a Henrietta? Church of England and English law didn't allow marriage between brother/sister-in-law until late 19thC.
Was the mother of Joseph's children named in the baptism register?
Were there any children after the Gretna marriage? A death for the wife? It's possible they separated if the marriage wasn't legal.   
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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #47 on: Thursday 29 October 20 23:25 GMT (UK) »
There's a Cambridgeshire baptism for Henrietta Skeels 1803.
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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 01 November 20 22:58 GMT (UK) »
I saw that baptism, but can't find anything else for her. There's an awful lot of Skeels in Cambridgeshire. What's interesting ids the fact that the Gretna marriage has the groom as Joseph Saberton Saberton, and I can't find anyone other occurrence of the same name.

But I just found this gravestone  (photo on https://www.gravestonephotos.com search for Joseph Saberton) has at the bottom

ALSO of
HENRIETTA his Wife
who departed this life
on the ??? day of ??? 1826

I can't make out the last line.
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.


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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #49 on: Monday 02 November 20 13:21 GMT (UK) »
There is a burial for 18 January 1826 that is listed as :

First name(s)   Harriott
Last name   Saberton
Birth year      1802
Death year   1826
Burial year   1826
Age      24
Burial date   18 Jan 1826
Parish      Chatteris
County      Cambridgeshire
Notes      wife of Joseph farmer
Record set   Cambridgeshire Burials
Category      Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory   Parish Burials
Collections from   England, Great Britain

Transcriptions © Cambridgeshire and Huntingdonshire Family History Society

However, the image is on FamilySearch, page 513 of Burials 1813 to 1831. The image is of poor quality, and the handwriting not the best and seems to read Harriott, but I'm sure this is Henrietta.
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #50 on: Monday 02 November 20 17:39 GMT (UK) »
There's an awful lot of Skeels in Cambridgeshire.

But I just found this gravestone  (photo on https://www.gravestonephotos.com search for Joseph Saberton) has at the bottom

ALSO of
HENRIETTA his Wife
who departed this life
on the ??? day of ??? 1826

Also these 3 graves all at St. Peter & St. Paul, Chatteris. Legible names and details. Year is year of burial. I had to try 2 spellings Saberton and Sabberton. I didn't find Henrietta or Harriott.

Sarah Skeels   1785   age 20                                                               (1st name on monument)
Thomas Skeels                         father of Sarah Skeels
Mary Skeels                             mother of Sarah Skeels
Richard Orton                          *son-in-law of Sarah Skeels
Jos SABBERTON                        *son-in-law of Sarah Skeels
Mary SABBERTON nee SKEELS  1787 age 21 sister of Sarah Skeels
Ann Orton    1796                      sister of Sarah Skeels 
* I may have made a mistake with those relationships. I think it should be brother-in-law.

 There was a request for an enhanced image of the memorial in 2017 from someone who was searching for her GGF's grave. There is an option to contact the person.
Seems to me that there was more than 1 Joseph Saberton who married a Skeels.
                          -------------------------------------

Joseph SABERTON   1816                                                 (1st name on monument)
John SABERTON      1871                                                  (No relationship stated to Joseph)
                          -------------------------------------

Joseph Saberton SABERTON  1847  age 61                          (1st name on monument)
                        ---------------------------------------

Note: "It is most likely that only entries with dates and ages are interred in a grave."


       


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Re: Joseph Saberton Saberton's will
« Reply #51 on: Monday 02 November 20 18:16 GMT (UK) »
But I just found this gravestone  (photo on https://www.gravestonephotos.com search for Joseph Saberton) has at the bottom

ALSO of
HENRIETTA his Wife
who departed this life
on the ??? day of ??? 1826

I can't make out the last line.

There's definitely a letter N in her name.
I can't see the dates.
Henrietta is feminine form of Henry and Harriet is feminine of Harry, which is an informal name for Henry, so Henrietta and Harriet are from the same root. They could be the same woman.
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