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Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« on: Wednesday 14 October 20 15:50 BST (UK) »
Hi All

I just wondered if someone could either disprove or agree that I am not going mad as to whether the following marriage relates to this man?

I have Thomas Butler born in 1857 in Liverpool.    Throughout the entirety of the census returns I have for him until his death he is single and living with his mother Margaret (who was widowed in 1873)

His occupation is recorded between Labourer and Labourer in Gas Works in 1891 and 1911.

I have just by accident found a marriage of a Thomas Butler on 13 January 1895 to a widow by the name of Hannah Taylor (born Hannah Iredale) at St John The Evangelist, Everton. 

On the marriage certificate Thomas is recorded as living at Woodville Terrace, Everton which is a few hundred metres away from is mother's house in Hughes Street and where 'single' Thomas is recorded with his mother in 1891 and again in 1911 (1901 missing)

The marriage certificate records that Thomas was:

36 years of age (close - he would have been 38 - 39)
A gas fitter (in 1911 he is recorded as being a labourer in a gas works)
Single (correct)
Father:  William Butler (correct) and deceased (correct)
Father's Occupation:  Sailmaker (correct)

It all points to him being the same man bar the single status in 1911 and the fact I can't find him/them in 1901.  I am extrapolating that Thomas and Hannah (if this is our man) separated rather than she died as other 1911 would have him as widowed. 

I think the 1901 might prove or at least help to prove if he is the same person as the marriage certificate itself seems to point in the right direction.

Thanks
Ruth



Jeacock
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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 16:32 BST (UK) »
Is this him in 1901 ?

Thomas Batter b 1859 Liverpool,  lodger , Gas Company labourer
RG13; Piece: 3487; Folio: 147; Page: 9

The name is Butler  , in my opinion.
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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 17:13 BST (UK) »
Hi, wonder if this is what happened. Thomas marries Hannah Taylor 1895 and details all seem to fit. They have a son details below,

BUTLER, THOMAS       TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 276

Hannah aged 35 on marriage cert, dies ref below,

BUTLER, HANNAH       36 
GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 246

Thomas the son born 20th July 1897, baptised 11th August 1897 parents Thomas & Hannah(deceased) occ labourer - abode **lowater st

Possible death of son below

Deaths Sep 1898   
Butler    Thomas    1    W. Derby    8b   45



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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 18:37 BST (UK) »
That's interesting  ! There's a Hannah Butler died 1897 which I'd discounted :

West Derby Cemetery Registers :

Hannah Butler 36 of 8 Ullswater Street , Everton , single , buried 8 August 1897
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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 18:56 BST (UK) »
Is this him in 1901 ?

Thomas Batter b 1859 Liverpool,  lodger , Gas Company labourer
RG13; Piece: 3487; Folio: 147; Page: 9

The name is Butler  , in my opinion.

Thank you - yes that certainly says Butler on the original rather than Batter and that certainly points to him
Jeacock
Colebourne
Shepherd
Scotter
Sievers
Knowles
Pritchard
Lilley
Hart/Hertz
Woodmansey
Monnington
Thomas (South Wales)
John (South Wales)
Pearce (South Wales)

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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 18:59 BST (UK) »
That's interesting  ! There's a Hannah Butler died 1897 which I'd discounted :

West Derby Cemetery Registers :

Hannah Butler 36 of 8 Ullswater Street , Everton , single , buried 8 August 1897

That Cemetery record matches the baptism entry upon reexamination.

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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 19:01 BST (UK) »
Hi, wonder if this is what happened. Thomas marries Hannah Taylor 1895 and details all seem to fit. They have a son details below,

BUTLER, THOMAS       TAYLOR 
GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 276

Hannah aged 35 on marriage cert, dies ref below,

BUTLER, HANNAH       36 
GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 246

Thomas the son born 20th July 1897, baptised 11th August 1897 parents Thomas & Hannah(deceased) occ labourer - abode **lowater st

Possible death of son below

Deaths Sep 1898   
Butler    Thomas    1    W. Derby    8b   45



John

Thanks John - I will have a look at those - it certainly looks like they had the son and Hannah tragically died.  If that cemetery entry that Christine found is her they were certainly fond of saying they were single when they weren't!

Ullswater Street is in the same vicinity as both Woodville Terrace and Hughes Street
Jeacock
Colebourne
Shepherd
Scotter
Sievers
Knowles
Pritchard
Lilley
Hart/Hertz
Woodmansey
Monnington
Thomas (South Wales)
John (South Wales)
Pearce (South Wales)

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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 19:03 BST (UK) »
Christine, you found the cemetery record for Hannah, any chance of possibly finding a record for Thomas jnr in 1898 with an address.

John
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Re: Thomas Butler (1857- 1936) - 1901 Census
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 October 20 19:08 BST (UK) »
There is a burial
September 11th  1898 Thomas Butler 13months  15, Angela Street
West Derby Cemetery
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