Smith Surname Nightmare

[chempat]

On 6th December 1915, Ancestry military records, George was of Binns Road, age 26 years ? months. This fits with that pension ledger age, born 1889.

He signed for receipt of his oak leaves in 1920.  (There are 10 or 12 pages of documents together on Ancestry, several are empty or blotched.)

Was the entry looked at officially in 1939 - record dated?

[chempat]

If you think this is enough evidence that George Smith was born mmn Orme in 1889, then you could get that birth certificate for exact date of birth to see if he shows in 1939.

[chempat]

George Smith born January 15th 1889, baptised February 17th, parents Thomas ( a carter) and Alice, information on Ancestry.

[jonw65]

But did that one marry Johannah Byrne, 25 Dec 1913, St Mary Bootle?
Father Thomas Smith, Carter

There's a 3 months old George Smith in West Derby in 1891
piece 2992 folio 8 page 12
Thomas Smith (Brother in law) 35 Coachman
Catherine Smith 31
Amy Smith 6
Ernest Smith 3
George Smith 3 months
All born Liverpool
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7Q8Q-P2M

[jonw65]

Possible births?
Name: SMITH, AMY       
Mother's Maiden Surname: BAXTER 
GRO Reference: 1884  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 294

SMITH, WILLIAM  ERNEST     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BAXTER 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 312

SMITH, GEORGE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: BAXTER 
GRO Reference: 1891  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 549

[jonw65]

Which only seems to lead back to
18 Nov 1883, Edge Hill, St Mary
William George Smith, 25, Mariner
+
Catherine Baxter, 24

Oh dear!

[Chippy27]

He had a brother called Ernest Smith but we don't know he was born. We know the above information because of the marriage certificate between George and Edith.

Does it state that Ernest Smith was his brother, or that Ernest Smith was a witness?  He could have been an uncle, or totally unrelated.

It's state's ernest was a witness on marriage but we have a picture of ernest daughter called lillian saying niece ernest daughter

[jonw65]

Anyway, here they are in 1901 in Everton
piece 3480 folio 49 page 30
Kate Smith Widow 39
Amy Smith 16
Wm Ernest Smith 13
Geo ? Smith 10
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X92B-MKS

[jonw65]

SMITH, WILLIAM  ERNEST     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BAXTER 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 312

That's interesting
Free index to 1911 has
William Ernest Smith 23
married to Emma
son William Ernest junior
daughter Lilian
All born Liverpool
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTV-V29