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William and Margaret Smith
« on: Thursday 15 October 20 11:53 BST (UK) »
 ???Can anyone help me find the right William Smith, mariner, named as father of Mary Ann Smith on her baptism cert 12th October 1821 and on her 1855 Great Yarmouth marriage cert. to John William Morris? Spouse Margaret......(Howard?Davies?)
Mary Ann was a servant colleague of Susan(na) Denton, witness at her marriage; they worked for Samuel Marsh. The other witness was William Barber.
She may have had a sister Sophia Martha (b.1824)
Hope/Harkness (Graitney/Gretna/Rigg/Annan)
Turnbull/Andrews/Lund/Calverley (Knaresborough,Yorks)
Beer (Devon UK & Saint John, New Brunswick,Canada)
Donisthorpe/Thompson/Hinksmas (Hinckley, Leics)
Morris/Stone/Fuller/Neslen/Smith (Gt Yarmouth/ Norfolk/Suffolk)
Pritchard (Middlesex)

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Re: William and Margaret Smith
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 October 20 12:54 BST (UK) »
Looking at the 1851 census (on FamilySearch) the likeliest candidate is:
HO107/1806/237 pp11-12 Nelson Ward, Yarmouth
William St SMITH, head, 59, mariner, born Yarmouth
Margaret SMITH, wife, 62, born Yarmouth
and three visitors: Mary A BOWLES, 24, dressmaker; Martha BOWLES, 20; Susan BOWLES, 21, milliner - all born in Yarmouth

I can't see the family on the 1841 census.

One question: did you get the wife's name Margaret from the census or from another record?  I was wondering if Margaret was definitely Mary Ann's mother or if there had been a previous marriage.

Philip
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Re: William and Margaret Smith
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 October 20 18:17 BST (UK) »
Freereg - 11 other Mary Ann Smith's in the County 1821.

Mary Ann SMITH   Baptism   12 Oct 1821   Norfolk   Great Yarmouth : St Nicholas
Parents William Smith sailor  Margaret

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: William and Margaret Smith
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 October 20 18:18 BST (UK) »
PS - a few less some are recorded more than once.

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: William and Margaret Smith
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 October 20 18:37 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage

William Smith single     To Margaret  Smith widow
Marriage Date:   30 Jan 1820
Marriage Place:   Norwich, St Stephen, Norfolk

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: William and Margaret Smith
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 October 20 20:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you for all replies.
The  baptism records of Mary Ann Smith and Sophia M. give the parents as William and Margaret ,as does the marriage cert, so at present I'm following 'William Smith', though tempted by 'William H(Henry/Howard)'. Sophia Martha b 1824 married John E.B Artis, son of Mary Bowles, hence the Bowles visitors. Their occupations tie in with an 1851 solo Mary Ann 'dressmaker' in Yallops Row but no evidence of her in 1841.
Mary Ann was just able to sign her name on her marriage licence: her first child was due, possibly why she went in person to sign it. Sophia Martha (if they were siblings) was unable to sign.
I will follow up the Norwich marriage of Margaret as widow.
Hope/Harkness (Graitney/Gretna/Rigg/Annan)
Turnbull/Andrews/Lund/Calverley (Knaresborough,Yorks)
Beer (Devon UK & Saint John, New Brunswick,Canada)
Donisthorpe/Thompson/Hinksmas (Hinckley, Leics)
Morris/Stone/Fuller/Neslen/Smith (Gt Yarmouth/ Norfolk/Suffolk)
Pritchard (Middlesex)

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Re: William and Margaret Smith
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 October 20 10:41 BST (UK) »
Iím not sure if this will help but there were 3 marriages for a Margaret to a Smith, details below.

Henry Smith
Spouse   Margaret Dawson
Marriage   1811 St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth

Two children the last baptised 28/10/1819 no death for Henry before 1821.

John Smith
Spouse   Margaret M. Chapman
Marriage   1812 St. Nicholas, Great Yarmouth

No children in Great Yarmouth?

A John Smith born about 1786 was buried 19 Sep 1818 Great Yarmouth

Thomas Smith
Spouse   Margaret Monument
Marriage   23/04/1815 St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth

No children in Great Yarmouth?

A Thomas Smith born about 1780 was buried 4 Apr 1819 Great Yarmouth.

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.