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Ideas to assist tracing the principals of these City of London Customs Agents please.
Thank you all.

Pope, W. & Co. Custom House Agents: 1853 KELLY'S Post Office London Directory.
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Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower street.
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ANSTRUTHER,Worldwide
BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD, Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Dorset,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 October 20 07:25 BST (UK) »
Not sure what info you already have.

There are newspaper reports of 4 people drowning in 1834 which mention Samuel POPE of 17 Harp Lane, Tower St, waterman.
eg Morning Post,    Friday,  Apr. 4, 1834

Also in 1840 a mention of John SHAW ("not T. Shaw" is noted) of 17 Harp Lane in a list of subscribers to the Infirmary for the cure of club foot.
Morning Post Saturday,  Mar. 14, 1840

Also, a for lease advertisment for the property, "lately occupied by Mr. Alderman Lucas" in 1844
The Times,    Saturday,  July 13, 1844

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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 October 20 07:35 BST (UK) »
A bit late, but there was also a dissolution of partnership of D. and H. and S. RECKNELL trading as W. Pope and Co, watermen and custom house agents of Lower Thames St, London in 1886.


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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 October 20 10:34 BST (UK) »
Maddy,
I am so grateful to you for both your responses. You give me new encouragement!
In my searches for the correct POPE families I have followed the RECKNELL family without discovering that there had been the business partnership that you have now uncovered.

You have good access to the newspaper archives.  Was Samuel POPE also drowned or a rescuer?
ANSTRUTHER,Worldwide
BENNETT,
BRETT, Sligo
CARNEGIE,
CROCKFORD, Hampshire.
ELLIOT,
GAUNTLETT, Worldwide
HEAL, HEALE, HELE, Chew Magna, Somerset
HENRY, Sligo
POPE, London docklands,
PRIDDY, Dorset,
STANDERWICK, Somerset,
RIPPINGILLE
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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 October 20 21:01 BST (UK) »
Happy to be of help.

Not on my computer at the moment, so can't transcribe the article, but Samuel was the waterman transporting the people who drowned. He and another passenger survived. From memory the inquest agreed it was a tragic accident. I'll check the details later today. :)

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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 October 20 04:16 BST (UK) »
Here is one the articles describing the accident. It's quite long, but I found it interesting for the amount of detail and insight into a different time on the Thames  :) Subsequent inquest identified the deceased as Sarah Ann MEARS ("mother of two children"), Martha REDBURN ("whose husband is at sea"), James BALL ("cousin to Sarah Mears") and Walter RIDLEY. No blame was attached to POPE.

MELANCHOLY ACCIDENT ON THE THAMES
   A fatal accident, attended with the melancholy loss of four lives – namely, two men and two women – occurred on Tuesday evening, on the river Thames, immediately opposite the premises of Mr. G. West, mast and block maker, Rotherhithe, which adjoins those of Mr. Alderman Atkins on the one side, and the Commercial Docks on the other.
   It appears that a waterman, named Samuel Pope, on Tuesday evening rowed a party from the Custom-house Stairs to the Horse Ferry, at Greenwich, where he was, immediately after disembarking them, applied to by the deceased persons, and a young man, named Heffernan, a bookbinder, of No. 9, Clerkenwell, whose life was saved, to row them to the Tower Stairs. Some of the party appeared to be known to each other, but all were strangers to Heffernan, the young man saved, and to the waterman, whose life was also preserved. The boat was a perfectly new and commodious one, licensed to carry eight persons, but her fare, on the unfortunate occasion in question, did not exceed the five persons mentioned, all of whom, including the waterman, as far as appears from inquiry, are reported to have been sober. Up to the spot where the fatal occurrence took place, the wherry proceeded in perfect security, but unfortunately there were some spars or rough masts, the property of Mr. West, embedded in the mud, at a distance (by measurement) of 104 feet to their outer extremity from his premises. The time was about nine o’clock, and the water, having been then rather high, ran to a depth of eighteen inches over the external ends of the masts, thus concealing them from the eye, with the exception of the internal ends, which having lain on higher ground, are ascertained to have been somewhat above the surface of the water, but not observed, the night not being clear. The boat’s course was along shore, but in sufficient deep water had the masts (as reported) not been so placed, and having struck on them, a young man who occupied the end seat, rose in a state of alarm, which caused some water to get into the boat. The waterman, who is considered a very steady man, at this critical moment cried out to the party to keep their seats, but the women on feeling the water come in, sprung up, by which they caused the boat, which was balanced as it were upon the mast, to upset, and the whole party were consequently precipitated into the river. The women shrieked, and the scene at the moment was heart-rending. The four ill-fated individuals seemed at the moment to have clung to each other – they sunk and rose twice, and then disappeared altogether. The boat was turned bottom-upwards, and the waterman, who clung to her keel once caught hold of one the young men by the hair, but was unable to maintain his grasp. At this juncture, the young man who was saved caught hold of the keel of the boat, which caused her again to turn over, and both he and the waterman were again precipitated into the water, when the latter once more succeeded in grasping hold of his boat, but the former (Heffernan) must have been drowned had not the boat of the revenue cutter, whence the shrieks for help were heard, pushed towards the spot, and picked him up. Instant and energetic exertions were made to recover the bodies of the deceased, and all, after about a quarter of an hour, were found in a sort of gut in the mud, into which they had rolled. They were speedily taken to the Ship and Whale public-house, Russell-street, Rotherhithe, where every possible means were employed to restore animation to them, but without effect. Too much praise cannot be given to Mr. and Mrs. Halls, proprietors of the house, for their marked humanity towards the saved and the deceased on the occasion: the employed men and women to rub the latter, while they supplied dried garments to the former. The unfortunate deceased were all respectably dressed. During the whole of yesterday, up to a late hour, none of the bodies were recognised. They all appear to be under thirty years of age, and were returning to London after a day’s amusement at the Greenwich Fair. No blame appears , as yet, to the waterman, who seems greatly distressed in his mind for the melancholy event. An inquest is to be held on the bodies this day, at two o’clock, at the Ship and Whale, Russell-street, Rotherhithe, where the bodies still lie to be recognised by their friends.

Morning Chronicle Thursday,  Apr. 3, 1834

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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 October 20 05:31 BST (UK) »
I recommend searching in the London Gazette:

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/

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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 October 20 06:15 BST (UK) »
Again, not sure what you have already but -

1841 Census (ref HO107  720  17  28)
Address - 17 Harp Lane
William Pope, 60, lighterman
Martha Pope, 60, wife**
Martha Pope, 25
Jemima Pope, 20
Margaret Hughs, 20, servant
None born in County

** Most helpfully, family relationships have been recorded under "Profession &c" - albeit subsequently crossed through.

FindMyPast baptisms (transcripts only)
Jemima Pope, bap 15 Aug 1819, St Dunstan's in the East, parents William and Martha
Martha Pope, bap 31 Mar 1816, St Dunstan's in the East, parents William and Martha

Samuel Pope, born 2 Feb 1808, bap 13 Feb 1808, St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, parents William (occpn. lighterman) and Martha, residence Rose Street.
 
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Lucas, Pope and Shaw, lightermen and custom house agents, 17 Harp lane, Tower st
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 October 20 06:24 BST (UK) »
1841 Census
William Pope, Head, Widower, 72, Lighterman employing 14 men and 1 apprentice, born Milton, Kent
Address - 18 Harp Lane

He's with daughter Martha (now Barker) and her family.
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.