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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 October 20 20:00 BST (UK) »
Frederick Seago was born 1874 Norfolk.  If you want to find a mothers maiden name prior to 1911 you can use the info from freebmd on the GRO website

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Frederick John Flaxman Seago December qtr 1874 Yarmouth 4b 24 - no mothers maiden name meaning he was illegitimate - despite the incorrect info on the tree on Ancestry showing his father as John W Seago & his mother as Emma  ???

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https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

You would need to buy a copy of his birth cert to establish his mothers christian name as I suspect she married before 1881

You can buy a pdf copy of the birth cert for £7 using the GRO link above
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 17 October 20 21:41 BST (UK) »
I see he lists John and Emily on his naval reserve records. However his marriage register has no father listed

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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 October 20 22:14 BST (UK) »
He appears to be with the Angel family in Yarmouth in 1891 and 1901, and potentially in 1881 (if transcribed as Angel). However I can't see any obvious connection with the Seagos

Interestingly there is an Emily Maria Seago b Beccles - she and the family are living in Newington, London in 1871 and she married before 1881


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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 18 October 20 00:31 BST (UK) »
That's a really good find Mabel.  I can't see any obvious connection to the Angel family but it appears to be a second marriage for Robert Angel.  He married in 1869 to Mary Ann Bloomfield who died in 1874

He then married Jane Swann in the March qtr 1876 - Frederick Seago was born Dec qtr 1875 so I wonder was Jane his mother??
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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 October 20 01:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Carole/Mabel,

Many thanks, I have got Fredericks Birth Certificate, he is my Great Grandfather.  He was a Marine Engine Driver.  It list's Emma as his mother, although his Naval records show Emily as you said.  It's me that's put the info on Ancestry, was all I had at the time, but someone had mentioned an Angel to me, although I couldn't find anything, and your theory is fascinating Carole.  I don't have much of a clue what I'm doing, so I may have got the whole line wrong from there backwards.  I know I am right up to Frederick.  Also on the Holmes side (My grandad) is right, hopefully right back as I share tree's with a few people there.   I really appreciate you all looking for me. x

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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 October 20 02:21 BST (UK) »
He was definitely illegitimate so made up a fathers name when he married.  Quite a common practice in those days so as to appear “respectable”

There is an Emma Seago b 1846 Bergh Apton parents Thomas & Mary

She married Mark Mason 21.12.1897 and was a spinster at that time

1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNL-6CV
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-H67X
1901 census -  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSFL-995
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X751-9BP

Emma died 30.6.1929 & left a will.  Unfortunately Frederick died 1921 so will not be named in it but if she was his mother there is the possibility she may have left something to his children.  You can download a copy of the will for £1.50.  If there are bequests to his children - you have the connection

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills


There is also an 1891 entry for Emily Seago - single - b Holy Cross Norfolk 1858 living in Somerset

1861 with parents Jeremiah & Maria in Norfolk


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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 18 October 20 20:00 BST (UK) »
He actually didn't list a father on his marriage, it's his navy records where he's mentioned John

I wasn't sure from your reply whether you;d found the Angels. He's with Robert William and Jane

1881:  RG11; 1914; 41; 13; aged 6  [enumerated as Fred Angel?]
1891  RG12; 1502; 136; 49;  Boarder, fisherman aged 15
1901 RG13; 1812; 144; 44  Boarder, ship's engine driver  26

I don;t  think  Jane Angel is his mother, as he'd be Frederick Swann not Seago

There's a marriage between Edward Angel and Mary Ann Maria Seago in 1884, but I can;t see how they are connected to this collection of Angels



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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 24 October 20 22:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you again Mabel and Carole, I can't see the Angels at all, but I'm only going on Ancestry hints as I am extremely new to finding info and don't get a lot of how you find things.  Or I just get very confused going round in circles. 
Carole you said about Emma having a will, I clicked on the link you gave and entered the details of Emma Seago, 1929 and it can't find a death.  I went one or two years a side with the date as well.
Thank you so much for the information both, I will try and work it out in my own head.  I also have done my DNA now today, so in 6 or so weeks may have more clue.
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Re: Elizabeth Ward/Youngs 1833 - Great Great Grandmother
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 24 October 20 22:51 BST (UK) »
I included the reference numbers to help you  track down the entries - but here they are on Familysearch

1881 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-9FW6 
1891  - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:44N4-V6Z
1901 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSF6-FYR