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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 18 October 20 12:44 BST (UK) »
St James Street, Kensington in later census shows many houses with more than one household. 

The reference for 1861 is RG09/ Piece 17 Folio 71 Page   65

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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 18 October 20 13:07 BST (UK) »
And you have to recall that even in 'affluent' areas there may be streets of much less affluent households where servants and tradesmen lived. 

I have a few records in Marylebone, Hanover Square etc where my ancestors are anything but high class.
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 18 October 20 14:40 BST (UK) »
Baptism of Sarah Gough born 30 March 1835 daughter of James and Rachel at West Twyford, Ealing on 10 May 1835.  James is a victualler, as he is in baptism records of his and Rachel's other children at West Twyford or Ealing, including the two Rachels, and Eliza.
Thank you I will look into this, it certainly is a mine field

For info. there is a public tree on Ancestry for the above family with census info. etc. you would need to verify info....


James Gough
18001878


Parent Richard Gough Elizabeth Jones

Rachel Newton
18011865


Parents Thomas Newton

Children    

Elizabeth Gough 1827 - 1908
Married 1848 William Hall Marden


John Gough
18271886

married 1850 Jael Carter
   

Mary Gough
18311856

Burial 13 Jul 1856 age 25
   

James Gough
18341905

Married 18 Jul 1864 Christ Church, Ealing
Spouse Louisa Gould
   

Sarah Gough
18351862
St George Hanover Sq London

Rachel Gough
18371838


Rachel Gough 18391861 burial 2 Aug 1861  St Mary, Ealing
Spouse Edward Lemm
Edward James Lemm 11 Jun 1861 bapt Christ Church Ealing
father Edward mother Rachel
Edward James Lemm , infant 18 Jun 1861 Burial St Mary, Ealing

Eliza Gough
18421924
spouse William John Newell

The Will of James Gough late of Ealing  beer-seller died 25 Dec 1878 at Ealing
Probate 13 Jan 1879 William Newell, baker

EDIT to add - perhaps the above death of Mary Gough in 1856 is incorrect  :-\

Rachel LEMM and her son Edward are living with her married sister Mary
and her husband John MARTIN  (bricklayer) on 1861 c RG 9; Piece: 782; Folio: 40; Page: 2

There is this 1856 marriage
John MARTIN , bricklayer to Mary GOUGH father JAMES Gough occupation Labourer
One witness  James NEWTON

and

1891 c RG12; Piece: 1039; Folio: 4; Page: 1
Mary MARTIN born Ealing has visitors
Alice NEWELL single age 17 Ealing and Alice Newell 1 week

Not investigated but I think Alice (age 17) is the daughter of William &  Eliza Newell (nee Gough)













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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 18 October 20 16:08 BST (UK) »
I see on that Ancestry tree that they have Sarah as dying in 1862,  the burial for that death is on Deceased online

SARAH GOUGH
burial date 19 April 1862
location Kensington And Chelsea
There is one other burial in that grave.
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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 18 October 20 16:17 BST (UK) »
I see on that Ancestry tree that they have Sarah as dying in 1862,  the burial for that death is on Deceased online

SARAH GOUGH
burial date 19 April 1862
location Kensington And Chelsea
There is one other burial in that grave.
Thank you, I don't think that is her, she was still a live in 1871 in sandiacre, supposedly the wife of Robert Francis Thurston. With help from here it has also all fallen into place, she actually used her mums maiden name of Newton as she wasn't married.

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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 18 October 20 16:20 BST (UK) »
You really need to eliminate that death in order to discount the Gough line with mothers maiden name Newton that has been suggested
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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 18 October 20 17:15 BST (UK) »
You really need to eliminate that death in order to discount the Gough line with mothers maiden name Newton that has been suggested
I will look in to thank you,  its certainly being a challenge

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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 18 October 20 17:17 BST (UK) »
Possibly of interest.  James and Rachael Gough have two daughters born after civil registration began, both are with them on the 1851 census. One (I'm unsure of her name; it looks like Rachael, but also looks different from her mother's name) aged 11 and Eliza aged 9. Both born in Ealing, which is in Brentford district.

GRO index shows a Rachel Gough Mmn Newton registered Dec Q 1837 in Brentford district, and a death of a Rachel Gough age 0 in March Q 1838.   In September Q there is an unnamed female Gough child Mmn Newton registered.  Eliza remains elusive, unfortunately - but at this early time not all births were registered.

James and Rachael Gough name their birthplaces as Heath, Oxfordshire, and Hughendon, Buckinghamshire respectively. 
A Rachel Newton daughter of Thomas and Rachel was baptised at Hughendon  on 17 April 1801 (Rachael is aged 50 in 1851).

I can't see a marriage, but if it was in Buckinghamshire, it may not be online.
Thank you for this, it all seems to fit, and makes a lot of sense

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Re: Help finding a Birth before 1837
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 18 October 20 18:25 BST (UK) »

Is this the sons birth registration in 1859.  :-\
GOUGH, WILLIAM  EDWARD     mmn NEWTON 
1859  December Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 53

Yes that's him


There is an 1861 entry for an unmarried Sarah Gough b 1835 Ealing working as a House servant in Marylebone


With parents James & Rachel in Ealing in 1851
HO107 / Piece 1699 Folio 79 Page 22

also 1841
HO107 /Piece 689 bk 9 f26 p6


Has William Edward Gough been found on 1861 census ?