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Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« on: Tuesday 20 October 20 09:57 BST (UK) »
Hello
 I am hoping someone can help me with my mystery women Franci(e)s  Shorter .
 On 7 Nov 1823 in Burwash she marries John Pennells  a agr labourer and they live in the area till at least 1871. First at Key Lands ( sorry dont know what that means) and latter  at Barn House Burwash.
But on the census returns from 1841-1871 no location is given for her place of birth.--Just not known . I have not found a death record either . After Johns  death she is working as a char women.
Her age from the census returns suggest a birth  between 1807-1811 but of course these  could be wide of the mark.
 There are a few baptisms on Ancestry  in the Burwash area but the the dates dont really tally. Also a number of trees but the majority have  her as the daughter of a Charles and Sarah Shorter --but that family appear to  be well to do farmers in the Edenbridge area although Charles family are from Burwash.

It seems strange she didnt know from were she was born --could this suggest the workhouse ?

Interested in your views and if we can find a death record. Have only found 2 sons for her shown as Thomas b 1824 and Henry  Pennells 1829. Both stay in Burwash for most of their lives. Henry dies Cranbrook .

Many thanks .

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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 12:54 BST (UK) »
Burial;
01 Mar 1880, St Bartholomew, Burwash
Frances PENNELLS age 73
Abode Marden
Note;
Went to Marden to nurse her niece Harriet Ann Blackford, but both died suddenly.
(Source FreeREG)

Yes I can find only 2 Sons Bapts on FreeREG

Will try and see how the Neice fits in

Trish :)
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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 13:14 BST (UK) »
Burial same Church 10 Feb 1880 Harriet Ann BLACKFORD age 34
Abode Marden
Born Snashall. Husband of Rev Blackford of Burwash. Died very suddenly

May mean her Husband is Rev Blackford.?
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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 13:26 BST (UK) »
Ok cant see Marriage yet but;

1861 Census
Burwash, Sussex
Sarah Snashall   46 Head Widow Charwoman born Heathfield, Sussex
James Snashall   22
HARRIET Snashall 15******
Sally Snashall   11
Alfred Snashall   9
Fanny Snashall   5

1851 Census
William Snashall   46 Ag Lab
Sarah Snashall   36
William D Snashall 14
James Snashall   11
Harriet Snashall   5*****
Saly Snashall   2


1841 Census
Wm Snashall   35 Ag Lab
Sarah Snashall   25
Wm Snashall   4
James Snashall   2
N K Snashall   2 mths

Marriage;
7 May 1834, Burwash, Sussex
William SNASHALL/Sarah SHORTER

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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 13:40 BST (UK) »
On F/S we have a SARAH Shorter bapt 15 Mar 1816 Heathfield to SAMUEL/ELIZABETH
(Father a Gatekeeper on image)
Also there;
Samuel 1814
Burwash;
James 1809
Charles 1815
Charles 1818
Cely Susannah 1821

And at Framfield;
FRANCES 8 March 1807***

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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 13:47 BST (UK) »
FreeREG burial of SAMUEL Shorter 09 Aug 1846 Burwash age 61 (1785)
And a Samuel 07 Feb 1815 infant (likely 1814 bapt)
+ a possible burial 29 Aug 1828 for ELIZABETH Shorter age 42 (1786)
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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 13:58 BST (UK) »
Last one for tonight;
Marriage of Sam/Eliz is on F/S 12 Jan 1807 Framfield
Gosh just made it before Frances was born :)
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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 14:05 BST (UK) »
Thomas Blackford 25, Father Robert
Harriott Snashall 19 Father William
Marriage:   3 Oct 1863, Burwash
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Re: Franci(e)s Shorter . Burwash area
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 20 October 20 14:29 BST (UK) »
hello Trish and thank you . Would never had got this sorted. I knew what I was seeing was wrong but not how to sort it. Much appreciated.