Frederick Wilcock

[Ladyhawk]

Yes, I was just looking at her. She seems to be the likely one.

So far only found this Fanny Bailey age 14  born England scholar & orphan in London
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q7HL-K2M

This could be her brother Fred Bailey in Chorlton Upon Medlock, Manchester 1901 & 1911

1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X92Z-Y4N
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBG-FGP

[jonw65]

Good find!
Also in Chorlton in 1901 is a Fanny Else, 23, born Wilts Swindon.
Piece 3698 folio 65 page 34
Married to William H Else, 23, Shop Assistant
Son William A Else, 8 months, born Manchester
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X92Z-5PG
   
Birth
ELSE, WILLIAM  ARTHUR     
Mother's Maiden Surname: BAILEY 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 975

[Ladyhawk]

What are your thoughts could Fanny Bailey have married using her mother's maiden name 

I haven't found this Fanny on any other censuses other than 1901

and is this her daughter from the 1911 census

Mabel ELSE   mmn    BAILEY
1905  J Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 920

William Herbert ELSE age Age:   22, father Frederick
Marriage 21 May 1899 Hulme, St Michael, Manchester

Spouse:   Fanny GILES 21 father’s name left  blank

1901 Piece:   3698 Folio:   65 Page Number:   34
William H ELSE   23
Fanny   23 Swindon Wiltshire
William A    8/12

William Arthur ELSE mmn   BAILEY 
1900  S Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 975

William Arthur ELSE age 19
Birth Place:   Hulme, Lancashire
Document Year:   1915
Regimental Number:   4783
Regiment Name:   3 - 8 St Battalion M - G Regiment
Form Title:   Territorial Force Attestation
Number of Images:   8
Fanny ELSEMother
Fanny is his next of kin address 43 Percival St C on M

Fanny ELSE died age 39
Sep 1917 Manchester Volume:   8d Page:   185
Burial 1917 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150824740/fanny-else

There is a birth entry for a Fanny Giles but she has a mmn

GILES, FANNY   mmn PINNEGAR
1878  J Quarter in CRICKLADE  Volume 05A  Page 45

snap posting whilst red writing

ADDED

Mabel ELSE
Baptism 26 Apr 1905 Hulme, St John the Baptist, Lancashire
Father:   William Herbert Else, widow cleaner Mother: Fanny , abode 1 South St

Joseph Frederick ELSE Birth 8 Sep 1902
Baptism 19 Nov 1902 Hulme, St John the Baptist, Lancashire
Father:   William Herbert Else, porter Mother:   Fanny

Joseph Frederick ELSE mmn BAILEY 
1902  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 872

[jonw65]

We agree about Fanny being Else 
Not sure why she married as Giles, as her parents were married before she was born? Though she seems to have done so!

So Jonathan and Fanny didn't marry because Fanny was already married. Fanny dies soon after Frederick was born. Then Jonathan marries Annie.
All makes sense!

Could be a good idea to get Jonathan's will as well.

[Ladyhawk]

This appears to be the death of Fanny's husband

William H Else Age:   58
Jun 1935 South Manchester Volume:   8d Page:   73
added his burial https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164494142/william-herbert-else

Edit to add

on this record asks whether married
reply Yes in brackets (wife deserted husband)

William Herbert Else
Enlistment Age:   38
Document Year:   1915
Residence Place:   114 Grosvenor Street, Manchester
Regimental Number:   280634
Number of Images:   13
Form Title:   Short Service Attestation
Family Members:   
Frederick Else   Father

[jonw65]

You have put it all together brilliantly, Ladyhawk
Perhaps one mystery is left, what happened to Frederick!
John

[Ladyhawk]

On Fredericks marriage certif, his fathers (Jonathon) occupation is left blank.

Fredericks age in 1940 was 23 and it just says 'Soldier' as his occupation.

You have put it all together brilliantly, Ladyhawk

Perhaps one mystery is left, what happened to Frederick!

Thank you 

It's a shame there was no occupation for Frederick's father Jonathan on his marriage cert. so we could be sure it's him 

[jonw65]

Hi
His age is right, and there aren't too many Jonathan's about. This one took some digging out, but I do think we can be extremely hopeful.
John

[Cinirel]

It all makes perfect sense.

Thank you so much, everyone, for all of your hard and invaluable work