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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #36 on: Monday 02 November 20 14:28 GMT (UK) »
They married in Cardiff Registry Office

Francis Kelly aged 31 (born 1885WIDOWER  Private. 3rd Welsh Regiment.  Father - Richard Kelly (deceased)

Edited to read - father's profession - Collier


I just remembered you gave following detail for Francis - a 6 year age difference  :-\

The 1939 register gives his birth as 17th March 1879 but I've no idea if he is English or, with a name like Kelly, Irish.

I was hoping their marriage certificate would give me a father's name and occupation so I could track Francis through the census'

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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #37 on: Monday 02 November 20 14:40 GMT (UK) »
I was wondering if this might be his medal card served in WR & RWF
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3204916

Medal card of Kelly, Francis
Corps   Regiment No     Rank
Welsh Regiment   6265     Private
Royal Welsh Fusiliers   59157 Private
Date:   1914-1920

Just found these details on Anc*y

Francis Kelly
Military Year:   1914-1920
Rank:   Private
Company:   WO 329
Regiment or Corps:   Royal Welsh Fusiliers
Regiment Number:   59157
Medal Awarded:   British War Medal and Victory Medal

possibly not your FK as it states - previously served 2/Welsh Regiment 6265  :-\

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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #38 on: Monday 02 November 20 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Francis Kelly bn 1881 Glamorgan
United Kingdom, Militia Service Records, 1806-1915
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHY2-C77

It does appear to be indexed on ancestry.
We think it's the same guy?
Francis Kelly
Single
Age 17
Birth year abt 1881
Birth place Dinas, Borth, Glamorgan, Wales
Enlistment date 6 Apr 1898
Enlistment place Mountain Ash Wales
Regiment    Royal Monmouthshire Engineers
Service number 2080

In Scotland, Ireland and Wales, Militia Attestation Papers, 1800-1915
But you need to view it on Fold3 :(

Will Fold3 give free access soon, as it is that time of year? Or can anybody look it up elsewhere?
For this sort of period you would hope to see a next of kin given, and their address. It is a militia record though.


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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #39 on: Monday 02 November 20 16:45 GMT (UK) »
They married in Cardiff Registry Office

Francis Kelly aged 31 (born 1885WIDOWER  Private. 3rd Welsh Regiment.  Father - Richard Kelly (deceased)

Edited to read - father's profession - Collier



I just remembered you gave following detail for Francis - a 6 year age difference  :-\

The 1939 register gives his birth as 17th March 1879 but I've no idea if he is English or, with a name like Kelly, Irish.

I was hoping their marriage certificate would give me a father's name and occupation so I could track Francis through the census'

It's a big discrepancy isn't it Ladyhawk? I've come across other examples on the 1939 where the date and month is correct by is out by a year - but certainly never 6 years
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #40 on: Monday 02 November 20 16:48 GMT (UK) »
I've finally received the marriage certificate today.

They married in Cardiff Registry Office
Francis Kelly aged 31 (born 1885)  WIDOWER 
Private. 3rd Welsh Regiment
Father - Richard Kelly (deceased)

Edited to read - father's profession - Collier

Helena Maud Parker (there is no age noted) No profession. No father's name or profession

Witnesses look like Mrs (this is crossed through)  R. Moore and W.Jefferys

Was there an address given?

Iíve had a quick look but have not come across any Army records on Anc*y for a Francis Kelly
in the Welsh Regiment

from
https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/welsh-regiment/

3rd (Reserve) Battalion
August 1914 : in Cardiff.
A depot/training unit, it remained in UK throughout the war.
Moved to Barry in August 1914, to Kinmel Park (June 1916) and in May 1917 to Redcar where it remained as part of Tees Garrison.

Francis & Helena married in 1916  here's some info. on Kimnel Park

http://abergelepost.com/kinmel-park-camp/
Kinmel Park Camp was built in 1914 as a training camp for Lord Kitchenerís Army in preparation for serving in the First World War.........

The address on the certificate looks like "The Rink, Cardiff" but the writing is a little difficult to decipher.
I think Helena's says "3 Connet Street"
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #41 on: Monday 02 November 20 16:51 GMT (UK) »
Or possibly Comet Street
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #42 on: Monday 02 November 20 16:56 GMT (UK) »
It's a big discrepancy isn't it Ladyhawk? I've come across other examples on the 1939 where the date and month is correct by is out by a year - but certainly never 6 years

Even though no age for Helena on m/c perhaps due to Helenaís age he wanted to appear younger  ???

The address on the certificate looks like "The Rink, Cardiff" but the writing is a little difficult to decipher.

I think Helena's says "3 Connet Street"

So they were living at different addresses - there is an address 3 Comet Street Roath Cardiff


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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #43 on: Monday 02 November 20 19:31 GMT (UK) »
Francis Kelly bn 1881 Glamorgan
United Kingdom, Militia Service Records, 1806-1915
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHY2-C77

It does appear to be indexed on ancestry.
We think it's the same guy?
Francis Kelly
Single
Age 17
Birth year abt 1881
Birth place Dinas, Borth, Glamorgan, Wales
Enlistment date 6 Apr 1898
Enlistment place Mountain Ash Wales
Regiment    Royal Monmouthshire Engineers
Service number 2080

In Scotland, Ireland and Wales, Militia Attestation Papers, 1800-1915
But you need to view it on Fold3 :(

Will Fold3 give free access soon, as it is that time of year? Or can anybody look it up elsewhere?
For this sort of period you would hope to see a next of kin given, and their address. It is a militia record though.

Place of birth probably Dinas, Porth - in the Rhondda

A bit of digging in old  newspapers finds references to "Moira Terrace (the rink)"  There seems to have originally been a skating rink on the upper floor of a block of shops/tenements there and later it was a gathering place where events took place

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Re: marriage in Cardiff Sept 1916
« Reply #44 on: Monday 02 November 20 20:36 GMT (UK) »

A bit of digging in old  newspapers finds references to "Moira Terrace (the rink)" 

There seems to have originally been a skating rink on the upper floor of a block of shops/tenements there and later it was a gathering place where events took place

Great find Mabel - if you look at the street map of where Moria Terrace is situated you can also see that there is a Comet Street close by

https://streetmap.co.uk/street/MOIRA_TERRACE_in_CARDIFF_in_CF24_420365_287747.htm