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Eunice charlotte Watkins
« on: Thursday 22 October 20 20:56 BST (UK) »
I have  Eunice Charlotte Watkins born 1897 Varteg, Monmouthshire father George H Watkins born Forest of Dean circa 1868/1869. In1914 Eunice marries James Williams at Newport, Monmouthshire.

We know that by 1920 she has died but we can not find a death record for her,can anyone help with her death?

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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 22 October 20 21:05 BST (UK) »
Death

Apr/May/Jun 1926 Pontypool - Eunice C Williams age 28.

A little later than you thought.
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 22 October 20 22:34 BST (UK) »
Thank you so very much, her husband James Williams emigrated to Australia in 1920 and  indicated on his passport that he was a widower in 1920. Another enigma. Apparently  James and Eunice had two children Thomas George or Thomas Henry born in 1916 and another son. James came back to Wales and took both sons back to Australia with him circa 1919. but i can only find James and one son Thomas George  on passenger list for 1929 sailing to Freemantle address Cullen Bullen.

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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 22 October 20 23:26 BST (UK) »
I have looked at the passenger list in 1929 to which I think you refer.
Per Vedic 1929
WILLIAMS, James, third class passenger from Liverpool to disembark Sydney NSW. Address in Australia Cullen Bullen

Williams Thomas George. As above.

No ages or other identifying information .

Cullen Bullen is a small town in NSW 130 km north of Mudgee.

I cannot say with certainty at this stage that these two people of your family, however there is this sad news item which may be about them at Cullen Bullen and the age of the lad is similar to the one you have given for Thomas George.

An apparent suicide.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/219553638

Sue

ADDING confirms correct parents.

Death in NSW

WILLIAMS  THOMAS H 
Reg 4314/1933
Father JAMES
mother EUNICE C
At TAMWORTH
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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 October 20 00:27 BST (UK) »
Death

Apr/May/Jun 1926 Pontypool - Eunice C Williams age 28.

A little later than you thought.

Mar 1893 Pontypool 11a 158
WATKINS George Henry
ANSLOW Anna Maria

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TG-JLK

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PW-YKC

WATKINS, BEATRICE  JANE mmn HANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 152
Married:
JUN 1910 Pontypool 11a 194
HULL James
WATKINS Beatrice Jane
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6F-PVX
Death: Sep 1980
HULLBEATRICE JANE 12JAN1894 BLAENAU GW 28 58

WATKINS, EUNICE  CHARLOTTE mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1897  J Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 141
Death:
WILLIAMS, EUNICE  CHARLOTTE  28 
GRO Reference: 1926  J Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 141

WATKINS, BERTHA mmn HANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1898  S Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 161
Possible marriage:
Dec 1929 Pontypool 11a 315
PARRY Harry G
WATKINS Bertha

WATKINS, GEORGE  ALFRED mmn HANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1900  J Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 155
Possible marriage:
Jun 1920 Pontypool 11a 452
WATKINS George   
MANLY Kate

WATKINS, IVY mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1902  J Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 172

WATKINS, WILLIAM  THOMAS MORRIS mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 181

WATKINS, IRIS mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1908  M Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 216

WATKINS, JAMES mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1911  M Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 178

WATKINS, THOMAS mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1911  M Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 178

WATKINS, BENJAMIN  ARTHUR mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1912  S Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 330

WATKINS, JAMES  HENRY mmn ANSLOW 
GRO Reference: 1915  M Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 367

The Vedic: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=11555378&S=24

No Thomas Henry/George 1914-1918, only this:

WILLIAMS, THOMAS mmn WATKINS 
GRO Reference: 1916  D Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 291

There are other Williams/Watkins births registered in PONTYPOOL around that time, so other children would be difficult to work out.

However, this one looks promising given the combination of names:

WILLIAMS, JAMES  GEORGE mmn WATKINS 
GRO Reference: 1915  J Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 342
Possible death:
WILLIAMS, JAMES  GEORGE  1915 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q3/1992 in PONTYPRIDD  (8621)  Volume 27  Page 922  Entry Number 93

What are the names of the father’s folks?

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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 October 20 02:27 BST (UK) »
father George H Watkins born Forest of Dean circa 1868/1869

I’m thinking:

Sep 1855
WATKINS Timothy Westbury S 6a 328
DAVIS Elizabeth

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M728-49B

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5TN-C6R

WATKINS, MARY mmn DAVIS 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 18

WATKINS, JAMES mmn DAVIS 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 198

WATKINS, ELIZABETH mmn DAVIS 
GRO Reference: 1862  M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 215

WATKINS, MARY  ANN mmn DAVIS 
GRO Reference: 1866  M Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 226
   
WATKINS, SARAH mmn DAVIS 
GRO Reference: 1868  J Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 220

WATKINS, GEORGE mmn DAVIS 
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in WESTBURY ON SEVERN  Volume 06A  Page 216

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 October 20 08:06 BST (UK) »
There is chance this 1954 application for probate is about the will of your James WILLIAMS.

The will was written in 1952 by James WILLIAMS of Cullen Bullen

Tom PETERS, the applicant and executor was the keeper of the General Store in Cullen Burren in 1954.
Nora Margaret PETERS was of the same address and possibly his wife.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18436137

Proctors for the executors had offices in Newcastle which makes me wonder if this this is the correct death??

WILLIAMS  James 
Reg 28248/ Year 1952
Father James
Mother Rhoda
At WALLSEND

All a bit of guessing!
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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 October 20 08:42 BST (UK) »
Here is a  news item which does hold the connection to show it is the right man whose will is discussed above.
An inquiry into the death of the boy gives some information about James, his father.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162021739
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Re: Eunice charlotte Watkins
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 October 20 12:02 BST (UK) »
Hi One and all, need an eye test i think.  I have now located the Reply button and able to respond. .Thank you all for the information given on Eunice Charlotte Watkins, We had thought she died in 1920, which was the date James Williams emigrated on his own to Australia. On the inquest  January 1933 James states that  two of his sons came to Australia 3 years ago, another enigma, what ever happened to the 2nd son?
Thanks once again you have all been a great source of information.
Very best
Ken