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Offline zetlander

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1940 Marriage Certificate
« on: Friday 23 October 20 16:24 BST (UK) »
Just got this certificate form the GRO.

It looks as if the Supt Registrar or Registrar has filled all the spaces/details on this Marriage Certificate - no bride/groom signatures - no witness signatures.

is this normal procedure and would the Certificate held at the local Register Office where the marriage took place likely to be the same?

Would have liked to see the actual signatures of the participants.

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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 October 20 16:38 BST (UK) »
The GRO has no access to the original certificate, this is held by the local register office. What you have is a certified copy. If you want a copy of the original then you have to get it from the local register office.

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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 October 20 16:40 BST (UK) »
I have a marriage certificate from a local register office that has been typed so you can't guarantee that they will send you a copy of the original
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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 October 20 16:43 BST (UK) »
If you get a certificate from the local register office it says "Certified to be a true copy of an entry in a register in my custody."
If the certificate is from the GRO then it is stated on the bottom that it is "Certified to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of a register of ........ in the Registration District of ......."
Or "... in the District above Mentioned"

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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 October 20 16:43 BST (UK) »
I think I have read on a thread somewhere on RC that staff at a Register Office might respond to a polite pleading letter to photocopy the original entry rather than type it.
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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 October 20 16:47 BST (UK) »
Sunderland local Register Office have always provided me with photocopies of the original marriage certificate, with the original signatures.
This is what the Sunderland Registrars say;
"With all family history marriage applications we try to offer a photocopy of the original entry onto a certificate, the only time that this is not possible is if the entry has an error/correction in it which means we have to handwrite the certificate."

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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 October 20 16:47 BST (UK) »
Absolutely normal.

The key thing is to understand there is a difference between the register (an original document, signed by those involved) and a certificate - which is a COPY of the register entry, written out later (or even at the time), but does not have original signatures on it (except that of the person issuing it, usually).

Certificates can only show the signatures of the parties involved in a wedding, or the informant on a birth/death if they are photocopied from the original registers, and GRO don't have those. They only have information copied and sent in to them each quarter by the registrars.

If you order a certificate from the local office that holds the register, they might create the certificate by photocopying it, but they don't have to - they may just copy it out for you by hand, or type and print it,  themselves.

I issued hundreds of marriage certificates as a registrar at weddings, NONE of them were ever signed by the bride/groom or witnesses. All that is required is that the registrar writes the signatures on the certificate in the same form as the original ( e.g. A Jones or Anthony Jones or AJ, depending on how the person themselves signed), but they don't try to copy them exactly.

If the marriage took place in church (which involves two registers being completed), you may find an image of the church marriage register on-line on Ancestry or FindMyPast, depending on when/where it took place.

But - there are exceptions - i checked my own marriage certificate recently and found that I did sign that myself, as did my wife and both witnesses, but that is because the vicar didn't follow the rules correctly. There was also a brief period, I think in the 1980s, where at least some offices submitted their quarterly returns to GRO by photocopying the original register pages (inc births & deaths), so you may see a signature on a certificate from one of those, even when ordered from GRO.

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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #7 on: Monday 26 October 20 10:27 GMT (UK) »
I have a marriage certificate from a local register office that has been typed so you can't guarantee that they will send you a copy of the original

Contacted the local register office and asked if I could have a copy of the original but computer said 'NO!'
They just copy the details from the original to a new certificate.

I explained why I wanted the original - the father of the bride (whose life I am researching) was a well known actor and getting a copy of the original with his signature would be good. Alas not to be!

(when I phoned to ask for this certificate I was asked the date - 1940 I replied - is it your marriage certificate I was asked.....hey ho )

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Re: 1940 Marriage Certificate
« Reply #8 on: Monday 26 October 20 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Good grief Zetlander!  The number of people who could still be alive having married in 1940 would be very slim indeed.

Not impossible, a friend of my mother's married in 1940 and were she still alive today she would be 98.
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