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James Murray born Antrim ca1750 poss Carnmoney
« on: Saturday 24 October 20 14:05 BST (UK) »
I am trying to trace the ancestors of Philip Murray of Killeen, Borrisokane Co Tipperary. 1814 - 1864; I know this is the Co Antrim board but bear with me.....

I found this army service record:
Corporal James Murray: 7 Jun 1791 discharge at Belturbet from 2nd Horse [priv 17 yr 6 mo] & 5th Dragoons [priv 2 yr 7 mo corp 6 mo total 3 yr 1 mo]. Discharged 'being  troubled with rheumatic pains and worn out';  5 ft 11 in & age 41 [so  born 1750 ish] in Cannony I think this may be Carnmoney?,  Antrim.

There is a newspaper reference of a James Murray as a witness
Tipperary Free Press 26 August 1829
John Leger, Robert Lambert, George Lambert & J Reade, accused of murdering Daniel Hawkins, John Hogan, John Farrell, Denis Mealy 27 Jun 1829.
I live in Borrisokane. I went along to the funeral of Smith. I saw Hawkins lying dead near the forge after being shot by Leger. " Cross examined "I passed Ledger's on the Saturday before but did not take any notice of it. I heard some people say Leger fired some shots on fair day; I was at mass on Sunday morning; did not hear any of the people speak angrily about Smiths's death; did not  hear any of them speaking about Leger inside or outside the chapel; I believe that there were more men than women at the funeral ; did not see one stone thrown, and I don't think they could have been thrown without me seeing them; don't recollect a stick in the crowd; was in the regiment of the 5th Dragoon Guards; never expressed resentment against Leger".

A Mary Murray as witness - Killeen is on the Portumna road north of Borrisokane.
Tipperary Free Press 29 August 1829
A Mary Murray gave evidence in trial of John Leger for shooting "I lived in Borrisokane on 26th June - my house is on Portumna road other side of Ledger's ; left my house to go to town about 7 in the evening. stopped as  heard firing, my house is about 200 yds from Ledger's"
Clonmel Herald 29 August 1829
"Mary Murray with an infant in her hands that she was taking to her daughter's to whom the child belonged"

The Murrays lived at Killeen just north of Borrisokane. A James Murray appears in the 1827 Tithe Applotments with 5 acres.

I think but cannot prove that James of Killeen is the grandfather of Philip.

Questions;
*So what are the chances that the James Murray born Co Antrim ca 1750 discharged from 5th Dragoons be that same as James Murray in Co Tipperary in 1829 who had been in the 5th Dragoons? James was tall at 5 ft 11 in as was Philip on discharge 6 ft 0 in.
*Does anyone have any knowledge of James Murray born ca 1750 of Carnmoney, Co Antrim?

Thanks for any help and pointers.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: James Murray born Antrim ca1750 poss Carnmoney
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 October 20 19:53 GMT (UK) »
You should try the Family Search website which has the Carnmoney records transcribed.  There are a quite a few Murray families in the Carnmoney Church of Ireland registers.  I am not sure whether any Murray families appear in the Carnmoney Presbyterian records.

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Re: James Murray born Antrim ca1750 poss Carnmoney
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 October 20 09:55 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the pointer jason mac, I will take a look.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 said to be nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON