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Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« on: Sunday 25 October 20 17:45 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone, I wanted to get a different perspective on this as I am unsure.

I am trying to find the mother of a woman named Harriet Rebecca Rump born in 1846 - Watton, Norfolk.

With a few census', her marriage certificate and baptism I have found her parents are William Rump and a Mary Ann.

There children all together are:

William Henry Rump - 1832, Lambeth, Surrey
Charlotte Winifred Rump -1834, Lambeth, Surrey
Frederick Dawson Rump - 1840, Lambeth, Surrey
Louisa Rump - 1842, Lambeth, Surrey
Harriet Rebecca Rump - 1846, Watton, Norfolk
Alfred Arthur Charles Rump - 1850, Watton, Norfolk
Emily Rump - 1854, Lambeth, Surrey

Her father William Rump I have at 1914, Watton, Norfolk. It looks like he was a gardener and then a coachman in later life.

Now for the mother. I am on Ancestry and when I started, it recommended to me a Mary Ann Blanchflower as the mother based on that being the same on others trees. However when I looked I realised that no one had any sources for the secondname, in fact they all ended with her - no parents for her. I couldn't find anything for that name either, no marriage certificate.

When I had a look around google, I found someones personal ancestry for the 'Blaker Family' through their youngest Emily Rump. It also noted that William Rump married a Mary Ann Blanchflower but said her maiden name was Ainger.

I have found a marriage between a William Blanchflower and Mary Ann Ainger but it's in 1833 norfolk. A year after the birth of William Rump and Mary Ann's first child. So now I'm not really sure of that being the name.

I have found a marriage between a William Rump and Mary Ann Lockley in 1829, 20 mins from lambeth, surrey. It seems the more likely bet. But I do think it's odd that everyone else has Blanchflower.

So what do you think? Should I go with Lockley or am I missing something else?

Thanks for reading.

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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 25 October 20 17:54 GMT (UK) »
RUMP, FREDERICK  DAWSON     mmn LOCKLEY 
GRO Reference: 1840  June Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 04  Page 235

RUMP, LOUISA       mmn LOCKLEY 
GRO Reference: 1842  June Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 04  Page 252

RUMP, HARRIET  REBECCA     mmn AINGER 
GRO Reference: 1846  Dec Quarter in WAYLAND UNION  Volume 13  Page 346

RUMP, EMILY       mmn AINGER 
GRO Reference: 1854  Sept Quarter in WANDSWORTH  Volume 01D  Page 393

also with only one first name
RUMP, ALFRED       mmn AINGER 
GRO Reference: 1848  Dec Quarter in WAYLAND  Volume 13  Page 338
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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 25 October 20 18:03 GMT (UK) »
1851 - Streatham has William 37, Mary Ann 37 plus children Harriet 4 & Alfred 2
Williams occupation GARDENER
HO107
Piece number   1579
Folio   426
Page   12


1851  Lambeth has another William & Mary Ann with the other children - William H 19, Charlotte 17, Frederick 10, Louisa 8 & Alfred 5
Williams occupation COACHMAN
HO107
Piece number   1571
Folio   275
Page   10
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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 25 October 20 18:08 GMT (UK) »
Here is Alfred Charles birth reg
RUMP, ALFRED  CHARLES     mmn LOCKLEY 
GRO Reference: 1845  Dec Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 04  Page 260
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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 25 October 20 18:15 GMT (UK) »
1851 - Streatham has William 37, Mary Ann 37 plus children Harriet 4 & Alfred 2
HO107
Piece number   1579
Folio   426
Page   12


1851  Lambeth has another William & Mary Ann with the other children - William H 19, Charlotte 17, Frederick 10, Louisa 8 & Alfred 5
HO107
Piece number   1571
Folio   275
Page   10

Wow, thankyou that was quick.

Yes, I've just been noting down each reference to the dads carreer and it keeps switching from Coachman to Garderener.  So it does look like I've accidentially smushed two different families together - yikes. With Gardener William Rump being my guy with Mary Ann Ainger and his children being the last three. Harriet, Alfred, Emily.

Thank you very much for this, but one last thing. I've been confused with this on other posts. What exactly does all this mean:

GRO Reference: 1846  Dec Quarter in WAYLAND UNION  Volume 13  Page 346

When I paste it into google nothing really comes up. Do I need an account with a certain website. Which website did you use to find these things? Because none of the records I've looked at have Ainger on them.

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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 25 October 20 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Richard Wernham (Berkshire 18th century),
William Hissey (1805 to 1813, Hampstead Norris),
Kapirin (Siberia 19th Century),
Kitching 1850,
Mary Howse born 1806 ish,
Chris Truelove marr. John Pocock 2-7-1696, Kintbury, Berks

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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 25 October 20 21:54 GMT (UK) »
To assist others - "our" William is transcribed as Kump in Ancestry in 1851!

Looks like they had some other children who didn;t survive (and they liked reusing names)

RUMP, HARRIET  REBECCA
mmn      BLANCHFLOUR     
Q3 1844
WAYLAND  Volume 13  Page 329

Died Q4 Age under 1
WAYLAND  Volume 13  Page 276


RUMP, ALFRED
mmn        AINGER     
Q4 1847 
WAYLAND  Volume 13  Page 330

Died Q1 1848, aged under 1
WAYLAND  Volume 13  Page 295

RUMP, FREDERIC        
mmn ANGER     
Q1  1850 
WAYLAND  Volume 13  Page 396

Can't find a death but there's a William Rump aged under 1 whose death is registered in Wayland in 1850, with no obvious matching birth

RUMP, (male)
mmn        ANGER     
Q3 1851
WANDSWORTH  Volume 04  Page 592

Died Q3 1951 aged under 1
WANDSWORTH  Volume 04  Page 406


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Re: Mother of Harriet Rebecca Rump ?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 25 October 20 22:12 GMT (UK) »
For further confirmation of the Ainger-Blanchflower link

1841 - Merton

William Blanchflower    25
Mary Blanchflower    25
James Blanchflower    6


1851 - Carbrooke, Norfolk

Francis Ainger    35
Harriot Ainger    33
James Blanchflower    18 - nephew, b Watton


1861 - James is married and living in Lambeth


William Blanchflower
Age:    35
Burial    16 Oct 1842, Merton, Norfolk,