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Offline mona lisa

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Christian name
« on: Thursday 29 October 20 23:33 GMT (UK) »
Unable to make out a few letters in Christian name begins with G ***s....could almost be Guines but makes
no sense  unless someone being funny (his .father was a spirit merchant) so may have been referred to as
Guinness as a nickname. Anyone else come across a name in jest ?
Ire Co Arm Seagoe Drumon/Drumlin Hill JOYCE/HOUSTON John/JOYCE Isabella /ARMSTRONG Graham = son ARMSTRONG Wm Valentine ca 1809 (wf} Hannah Johnston MILLER ca 1823 Seago Arm Ire  aft1840 in Glasgow Scot dau Isabella 1847 + John M'D s/o Co DERRY Edw McD*V*TT//DAID {wf} Eliz 'CL*SKY/M'SHANE/DUFF Ire = DOYLE,Jos + Mary M'GINITY/ m ca1840 = Can PEI Hope Riv/ DOWDS,Bridget ca1819 d/o John DOWD + Mary WOODS ca1840 PEI Can UK  REINE/RIIM = Adrianoff/Mary//Sweden/Baltics/Baron VON Stiegler/Toxteth Park

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Re: Christian name
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 October 20 05:45 GMT (UK) »
Unable to make out a few letters in Christian name begins with G ***s....could almost be Guines but makes
no sense  unless someone being funny (his .father was a spirit merchant) so may have been referred to as
Guinness as a nickname. Anyone else come across a name in jest ?

If you give the place and reference where you have found this, we can take a look and maybe help.
You can always take a 'snapshot' and attach the image on your post here on Rootschat. It's always a good a idea to clip a little more of the page than just the word you need, to be able to compare letter formation etc.
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Re: Christian name
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 October 20 06:18 GMT (UK) »
Its from his 2nd marriage / Scotlands People  /  1856  December Glasgow Scotland of my great great grandfather Irish born Valentine Armstrong to 2nd wife and then his death   Scotlands People 1859 September 1, Glasgow.
I almost thought Graime./ First son John. 2nd son William./Tossing ideas about if traditional naming pattern used.
 
Ire Co Arm Seagoe Drumon/Drumlin Hill JOYCE/HOUSTON John/JOYCE Isabella /ARMSTRONG Graham = son ARMSTRONG Wm Valentine ca 1809 (wf} Hannah Johnston MILLER ca 1823 Seago Arm Ire  aft1840 in Glasgow Scot dau Isabella 1847 + John M'D s/o Co DERRY Edw McD*V*TT//DAID {wf} Eliz 'CL*SKY/M'SHANE/DUFF Ire = DOYLE,Jos + Mary M'GINITY/ m ca1840 = Can PEI Hope Riv/ DOWDS,Bridget ca1819 d/o John DOWD + Mary WOODS ca1840 PEI Can UK  REINE/RIIM = Adrianoff/Mary//Sweden/Baltics/Baron VON Stiegler/Toxteth Park


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Re: Christian name
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 October 20 08:34 GMT (UK) »
The Scotland's People record is pay per view so you'll need to do as goldie61 suggested and post a snippet for us to look at. Lots of male names begin with 'G' and not all families followed naming patterns.

FS has a marriage extract but not details of groom's father-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTBP-SBW

Is this an earlier marriage for same Valentine Armstrong?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTYT-FZY

An online tree (may not be accurate) has a Valentine Armstrong born 1811 "County Armagh, Slago, Ireland' with father Graham Armstrong. [Sligo? which makes no sense]. Perhaps Armagh is also incorrect since a half-brother supposed to be born 32 years later in Randalstown, County Antrim when mother supposed to be 66 years old  ::)
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Re: Christian name
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 October 20 09:08 GMT (UK) »

... I almost thought Graime...
 

Alarm bells are ringing for me with this, for I've been here before in the past... firstly, the forename Graham/Graeme (I haven't seen Graime) in its own right is pretty rare for the Irish context and era you mention.  By way of example, there are only 224 examples of it in the 1901 Ireland census (out of 4.4 million people) and a good many of these are clearly a surname incorporated as a second forename, rather than a forename in its own right. I'm not saying impossible, just pointing out how uncommon it is.

Secondly, on several topics in genealogy fora I have encountered over the years about a forename of poor legibility, 'Graham/Graeme' has turned out to be simply 'James'. Is there a chance that this instance is James as well (you did mention a possible 's' at the end)?

Agreed that a snippet here would be helpful.


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Re: Christian name
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 October 20 09:49 GMT (UK) »
Could it be the Irish name GAINES meaning Ingenious or clever man.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Christian name
« Reply #6 on: Friday 30 October 20 09:53 GMT (UK) »
I was intrigued:

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Re: Christian name
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 October 20 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Could easily be James. That other mark could be random. Is there an example of a known G elsewhere?
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Re: Christian name
« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 October 20 10:04 GMT (UK) »
-It's a G  compared with other G on record.

See J in  Joyce  as MMN.
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