More Oates in Sheffield

[emjayf]

Hi all,

Just trying to see where my ancestor Julia Fouldes/Foulds (nee Oates) was before she married John Gibson Fouldes.

She married John Gibson Fouldes (Cab Driver aged 21) on 02/01/1883 at St Silas Church, Sheffield. Her age was stated as 20 but I think that is a fib! Her father is William Oates (also a cab driver).

A couple of years before she is on the 1881 census aged 23 with William Oates (53), Ann Oates (61) plus two siblings and a niece.

However I cannot see where she is in 1871? I see the census with W(illiam) Oates (cab driver aged 44), wife Ann (50) and son J H Oates (20) in Sheffield but she (who should be around 13) is not there?

I also cannot find any of them on the 1861 census. I think she was born around 1857/58 so she would have been on there.

I have found her family in 1851 (William Oates - a groom aged 23, married to Ann (30) and with their two sons William (2) and Henry (0) in Worksop.

I wonder if anyone else can spot her?

Thanks
MJ

[Jamjar]

Related thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=838948.0

Jamjar

[Comberton]

1871 she is on the next page with more siblings

[Comberton]

For 1861 try William Oake on FamilySearch born 1827 Worksop

[Jamjar]

For 1861 try William Oake on FamilySearch born 1827 Worksop

Sep 1848 Doncaster 22 69
OATES William
KEAL Ann

Deaths:

OATES, WILLIAM  59 
GRO Reference: 1887  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 206

OATES, ANN  71 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 217

1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6V-CDG

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7K2-W5Q

OATES, WILLIAM  TAYLOR mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in WORKSOP UNION  Volume 15  Page 628
Died:
OATES, WILLIAM  TAYLOR  18 
GRO Reference: 1867  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 240

OATES, JOHN  HENRY mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in WORKSOP UNION  Volume 15  Page 759
Married:
Sep 1875 Sheffield 9c 500
OATES John Henry
SPOONER Charlotte Augusta
Deaths:
OATES, CHARLOTTE  AUGUSTA  67 
GRO Reference: 1918  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 1368
OATES, JOHN  HENRY  71 
GRO Reference: 1922  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 637
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-XB4G
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7NHP-7N2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9JM-KSF
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9R6-QJH
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKV-KPV
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKJ-YR4
Child:
OATES, JOHN  HENRY mmn SPOONER 
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 299

OATES, SARAH  ANN mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in WORKSOP UNION  Volume 07B  Page 29
Married:
Sep 1873 Sheffield 9c 618
TURNER William
OATES Sarah Ann
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-DVQK
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7N3V-N2M
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9RF-FR4
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKZ-YXT
Children:
TURNER, MARY  JANE mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 394
TURNER, FLORENCE mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1877  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 510
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7NH5-D2M
TURNER, WILLIAM  HENRY mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 343
TURNER, ALBERT mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1881  J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 369
TURNER, FRANK mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1883  J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 397
TURNER, ARTHUR mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 416
TURNER, JOHN  EDWARD mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1888  S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 356
TURNER, WALTER mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1889  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 401
TURNER, JOSEPH  HERBERT mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1892  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 466
TURNER, NELLY mmn OATES 
GRO Reference: 1895  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 477

OATES, GEORGE  CHARLES mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE  Volume 09C  Page 172
Married:
Dec 1879 Sheffield 9c 623
OATES George Charles
GOULD Clara   
Sep 1895 Ecclesall B. 9c 438
OATES George Charles
WASTNEDGE Harriet
Deaths:
OATES, CLARA  38 
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 293
OATES, GEORGE  CHARLES  76 
GRO Reference: 1931  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 411
OATES, HARRIET  82 
GRO Reference: 1941  M Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 1218
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-DFFM
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7N32-SPZ
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9R6-N5W
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKH-YMN
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKC-2P4

OATES, JULIA mmn KEEAL 
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE  Volume 09C  Page 157

OATES, JOSEPH mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE  Volume 09C  Page 165

OATES, MARY  JANE mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 265

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

1871 she is on the next page with more siblings

1871:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBC5-1NW

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBC5-1N8

1881:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-D5B7

1891:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7NMG-46Z

OATES, GEORGE  CHARLES mmn KEAL 
GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in WORTLEY AND PENISTONE  Volume 09C  Page 172
Married:
Dec 1879 Sheffield 9c 623
OATES George Charles
GOULD Clara   
Sep 1895 Ecclesall B. 9c 438
OATES George Charles
WASTNEDGE Harriet
Deaths:
OATES, CLARA  38 
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 293
OATES, GEORGE  CHARLES  76 
GRO Reference: 1931  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 411
OATES, HARRIET  82 
GRO Reference: 1941  M Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 1218
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Y-DFFM
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7N32-SPZ
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9R6-N5W
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKH-YMN
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKC-2P4

Children:

OATES, LILY mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 365

OATES, WILLIAM mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1881  J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 358

OATES, CLARA  ANN mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 342

OATES, ALBERT mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 381

OATES, BERTHA mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 368

OATES, GEORGE  CHARLES mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 411

OATES, ELIZABETH mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 409

OATES, TOM mmn GOULD 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 362

OATES, ARTHUR mmn WESTERIDGE 
GRO Reference: 1896  M Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 423

OATES, HERBERT mmn WESTNEDGE 
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 422

This is the only Douglas that fits, but MMN doesn’t. It does match one of the step-children.  I’m thinking Harriet may have married 3 times all up.
OATES, DOUGLAS mmn PATISON 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 416

OATES, HARVEY mmn MAXFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1902  J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW  Volume 09C  Page 433


1891, Step-children: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7N82-1MM

1881 Ecclesall B. 9c 296
WESTNEDGE Walter   
MAXWELL Harriett

Death:

WESTNEDGE, WALTER  33 
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 237

Children:

WESTNIDGE, WALTER mmn MAXFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1881  S Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 453

WESTREDGE, JOSEPH mmn MAXFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 456

WESTRIDGE, GEORGE mmn PATTISON 
GRO Reference: 1888  J Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 452

WESTNEDGE, HARRY mmn MAXFIELD 
GRO Reference: 1890  D Quarter in SHEFFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 461

[emjayf]

1871 she is on the next page with more siblings

How bizarre that Family Search didn't link to that. Especially if it is the same address. See I found that record but it confused me showing no parents and the siblings had slightly different names!

Thank you
MJ

[emjayf]

Been ages, but just coming back to this. My Great Great Grandmother Julia Fouldes (nee Oates) was born, I think, in 1857.

The following censuses tell me

1861 she was born in Hirst, Yorkshire
1871 she was born in Yorkshire
1881 she was born in Sheffield
1891 she was born in Yorkshire
1901 she was born in Wadsley Bridge Sheffield, Yorkshire
1911 she was born in Sheffield, Yorkshire

So I can see she was born Sheffield, Yorkshire as stated on all census (Wadsley Bridge is a suburb of Sheffield). Well all except one!  So my question is: what is "Hirst" as stated in 1861? I tried Googling and nothing comes up! Seems curious her fist census states this and none after do. Unless it was an outdated placename after 1861 but before 1871.

Any ideas?

Cheers
MJ