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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 November 20 02:49 GMT (UK) »
Should it be William instead of Henry?

Is this the correct 1891 census

William Bachler 32
Maria 21
William 2
Charles E 4 months

The mother's maiden surname for these births is SMITH.

Marriages Jun qtr 1888 

BACKLER, William       
SMITH, Ann Maria
Walsall    6b   875

This marriage cert gives William's father as William Henry BACKLER, a Baker.  William himself is also a Baker aged (I think) 29.  I can see William Jnr in Bristol in 1871 aged 16 working for a confectioner, but not in 1861.  I think I remember seeing in the past that quite a lot of the Bristol 1861 census is missing.  In 1871 he is a baker boarding in Walsall aged 29 so perhaps his age on the marriage cert and later censuses is not correct and his birth year is more like early 1850s.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 November 20 03:33 GMT (UK) »
The father William appears to be born in Bristol. Henry was born William Henry in Birmingham IN 1844., the GRO has the name spelt BACKLER


Addendum Motherís maiden name BATES.

A man born in 1844 is highly unlikely to be the father of a child born in the 1850s.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 November 20 03:46 GMT (UK) »
William Henry Backler was - as has been stated - b.1844 and would only have been 14/15 at the time 'Henry' (or William) was born - WHB still single living at home in 1871 aged 27 - at no time was he ever a baker!  He died in 1879, still a bachelor.

I cannot see how Henry (or William) connect to this family at all.

Don't know if relevant, but a Frederick Backler birth reg'd Jun.qtr.1857 Bristol - he was illegitimate according to GRO index but can't find him on any census.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 November 20 06:09 GMT (UK) »
Don't know if relevant, but a Frederick Backler birth reg'd Jun.qtr.1857 Bristol - he was illegitimate according to GRO index but can't find him on any census.

Frederick BACKLER died at the Stapleton asylum aged 1 on 24 Feb 1858.  He may have been the son of Amelia BATCHELER who was in the workhouse/poor asylum at Stapleton in 1861 with two children, William aged 8 and Emma aged 2.

The name spelt as BACHELOR seems to be more prevalent in the area.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 01 November 20 10:25 GMT (UK) »
The father William appears to be born in Bristol. Henry was born William Henry in Birmingham IN 1844., the GRO has the name spelt BACKLER


Addendum Motherís maiden name BATES.

A man born in 1844 is highly unlikely to be the father of a child born in the 1850s.

Debra  :)

The 1844 birth referred to the son not the father, who was born c1818.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 01 November 20 12:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your comments. I have been struggling with Henry Backler for a while.
The 1871 census gives his age as 16, so born in 1855.
1881 census he is 29, so born in1852.
1888 marriage certificate says age 29, so born in 1859
1891 census he is 32, so born in 1859.
1901 census he is 36, so born in 1865.
Why does William not show on the 1911 census. His wife and all children are shown  in Pierpoint Street in Warrington.
1930 death, shows him as 72, so born in 1858.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 01 November 20 13:14 GMT (UK) »
Who is he with in 1871? He is a servant with the Williams family of Elbroad Street, in the St Philips and Jacobs district of Biristol.

Who is his father with? William Henry is with his father and mother (William and Anne) at the police station in Edgbaston, Birmingham.

I can't seem to find a Henry Backler born c1859 Bristol unless the surname is incorrectly spelled. It is William who was bon in Bristol around 1859.

Does his father's name come from a marriage certificate or somewhere else? A copy of the marriage certificate is the only link I have that links William to William Henry. William married Anne Smith in 1888 at Walsall. William's father is shown as William Henry Backler, a baker.
I have never found anything about William's mother. William Henry (William's father) has been linked to a Susanna Cobbold Page on Ancestry.com, but I have researched this and ruled it out.

Thanks.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 01 November 20 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Why do you keep referring to him as Henry - when marriage, census, all show him as William?

It makes it very confusing when trying to search for you.

I personally think the father shown on the 1888 marriage certificate as William Henry Backler, baker, is fictitious, and that at 29 (bc.1859) he's knocked off some years as his wife considerably younger.

In 1881 he states he is 29 i.e. bc.1852 and think this age is the closest to the truth and that he is the Willm Batcheler 8 with mother Amelia (bc.1835) and sister Emma 2 in Stapleton 1861.

Amelia was actually born 1832 and baptised 21/10/1832 Bristol, dau.of William Batcheler and wife Mary (plus a brother William bp.15/10/1837.   In 1841 Mary and these 2 children are shown as Batchler and looks like husband William had died.

A William Bachellor birth reg'd Jun.1851 Bristol - illeg. per GRO index - and think this is the son of unmarried Amelia and 'your' William.   

I believe the 1881 census - in which he had no need to lie - is the most accurate i.e. 29, bc.1852.

For certain, he is definitely not the son of a William Henry (a baker like himself) who never existed, and definitely not the son of William Henry b.1844 who was never a baker, never married, and too young to have fathered your man.

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Re: Birth Information Henry BACKLER (b 1859 (ish) d 1930)
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 01 November 20 15:24 GMT (UK) »
Sorry everyone.
It is William, born 1859 ish. Not Henry.
William Henry is his father.
The whole of my Backler line is either William or Henry and I sometimes get confused going forward and backward through the tree.
Apologies again for the confusion.