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Offline Jane Sharp

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Help to find registration of birth
« on: Thursday 05 November 20 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello ! I am new here. Thankyou for reading my post.

Being born and living in Australia, the main thing that stumps me when conducting family research is the listings of current and old districts in census and baptism books.

I am seeking to locate and clarify the birth registration of my Great Grandfather "James Sharp" born January 6 - 1878 or 1879 ?

The 1939 register which I have verified from my Dad is him, states his Date of Birth as January 6 1879.

I have found a Baptism listing which maybe my James Sharp, but Date of Birth is written as January 6 1878, St James, Collyhurst, Manchester, Lancashire. This baptism was not conducted until September 1878.

There is also an 1881 and 1891 census listing of a son James Sharp age 3 and age 13, living at 149 Cheltenham Street, Collyhurst, which was around the corner from the aforementioned St James Church, Collyhurst. 

On the General Register Office of births index, there are James Sharp registrations and I'm not sure which one it would be:

1877: Dewsbury, Bradford Yorkshire, Hackney, Manchester, Sturminster, Bradford Yorkshire, West Derby & Toxteth Park

1878: St George in the East, Radford, Holborn, Preston, Whitehaven, Tynemouth, Bradford Yorkshire, Ely, Burton Upon Trent.

1879: Gateshead, Horsham, Barton Upon Irwell, Doncaster in the counties of York and Nottingham, Halifax, Salford, Whitehaven, Keighley, Richmond-Surrey, Newark.

1880: Hartlepool, Tynemouth, St. George in the East, St. George Hanover Square, Hunslet, Aston, Pontefract, Rochdale

Are any of these districts in the vicinity of Collyhurst ?

He, and his father James Sharp (senior) were both police constables, so I would think that he wouldn't get his own year of birth being 1879 wrong on the 1939 register? Or maybe the census officer listed it incorrectly ? Or maybe his birth was never registered ?

I am not sure what to do next and hoping someone can help me. Thankyou.

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:12 GMT (UK) »
Collyhurst is in Manchester:

"Collyhurst is an inner city area of Manchester, England, 1.5 miles (2.4 km) northeast of the city centre on Rochdale Road (A664) and Oldham Road (A62), bounded by Smedley, Harpurhey and Monsall to the north, Miles Platting to the east, Ancoats to the south, and the River Irk to the west. Prominent buildings include two Roman Catholic churches, St Patrick's and St Malachy's." (Wiki)

Barton upon Irwell is in Salford which, although historically a separate city, is nowadays part of the Manchester conurbation. However, it is the other side of Manchester from Collyhurst

As his birthday is January, his birth would most likely be registered in the 1st quarter (Jan - Mar) of the year
Wainwright - Yorkshire
Whitney - Herefordshire
Watson -  Northamptonshire
Trant - Yorkshire
Helps - all
Needham - Derbyshire
Waterhouse - Derbyshire
Northing - all

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:17 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn't get overly concerned about it being a year out.
For all anyone knows, it's a case of someone else reporting
eg "I know his birthday is 6th jan and he's 40, so his birth year is (and getting it a year out when doing the sums) ".

Do you know the mother's maiden name?

SHARP   James   BROWN   Mary   Marriage:
1878   Miles Platting (Collyhurst), Albert Memorial   Archives+, Manchester Central Library   


Marriages Jun 1878   (>99%)
BROWN    Mary        Manchester    8d   243    
Haselden    John        Manchester    8d   243    
SHARP    James        Manchester    8d   243    
Swift    Harriet        Manchester    8d   243

SHARP, WILLIAM       BROWN  1880  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 343
SHARP, THOMAS       BROWN  1882  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 314
SHARP, CHARLES       BROWN  1884  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 274
SHARP, EDITH       BROWN  1887  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 266 (not on 1891)
SHARP, SAMUEL       BROWN  1890  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 282 (not on 1891)
SHARP, MARY       BROWN  1892  S Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 297
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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:30 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Jane  :D

MQ 1879 births for James Sharp

SHARP, JAMES       PARKER 
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in BARTON UPON IRWELL  Volume 08C  Page 667

SHARP, JAMES       ATKINSON 
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 836

SHARP, JAMES       MAGEE 
GRO Reference: 1879  M Quarter in HORSHAM  Volume 02B  Page 326

MQ 1878 birth for James

SHARP, JAMES       ASHMORE 
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST  Volume 01C  Page 403

SHARP, JAMES       COX 
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in RADFORD  Volume 07B  Page 254

SHARP, JAMES       LEACH 
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in PRESTON  Volume 08E  Page 619

SHARP, JAMES       PENFOLD 
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in HOLBORN  Volume 01B  Page 733

SHARP, JAMES       WOOD 
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in WHITEHAVEN  Volume 10B  Page 588

This is for information.  You did list these but the above includes mother's maiden name.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:39 GMT (UK) »
The 1881 census has a Sharp family living at 149, Cheltenham Street, Manchester, Lancashire

Parents James and Mary.  James born 1854 in Manchester, occ. Police Constable.

Sons James (1878) and William (1880) both born Manchester.

Registration district   Manchester
Archive reference   RG11
Piece number   4002
Folio   105
Page   96
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:42 GMT (UK) »
There is a likely birth registration for William

SHARP, WILLIAM       BROWN 
GRO Reference: 1880  M Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 343

Most likely marriage for James and Mary

Marriages Jun 1878
BROWN    Mary        Manchester    8d   243    
SHARP    James        Manchester    8d   243   

Added: Sorry Pauline I've repeated some of what you have given already.   
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:57 GMT (UK) »
I'd try this one

SHARPS, JAMES       MMN - BROWN  First Quarter 1878 in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 316

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:58 GMT (UK) »
I can see the baptism that you found Jane.  The original image states:-

18th September 1878 - b. Jan 6 '78

James, parents James and Mary Sharp living at 149 Cheltenham Street.  Father's occupation is Engine Fitter.

This address is the same one in the 1881 census with father's occupation as Police Constable.  One has to assume that James Snr changed his occupation between 1878 and 1881.

Finding James Snr's police employment record may well help in establishing when he joined the Police.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Help to find registration of birth
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 November 20 10:59 GMT (UK) »
That marriage is available to view on Ancestry:

Albert Memorial Church, Collyhurst - 13 June 1878

James Sharp - 24, bachelor, Driller.  Father:  Thomas, Joiner
Mary Brown - 27, spinster, Cotton Polisher.  Father: Thomas, Bookbinder

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